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Stock Bottom End Dyno#s For LT1 N/A 93 Octane and on E85

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Old 04-07-2008, 05:32 PM
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Stock Bottom End Dyno#s For LT1 N/A 93 Octane and on E85

I dynoed my car Saturday @ Pro Dyno Tech in Crawfordsville, Indiana.. The car is an UNTOUCHED from the factory stock bottom end. I have LPE ported heads , Joe Overton cam and Eric Bradby did Intake porting and portmatched everything to the intake. The car also has all the supporting mods for this setup. The car has 63,000 miles on the odo. The car is also a 6-speed with a strange 12bolt. The last time i was @ pro Dyno Tech the car made N/A 416rwhp and 399rwtq but later discovered the car was running 110-120percent duty cycle on the 30# injectors.. I put 42# injectors in and retuned the car with great results.. The car made 442.1rwhp@6300rpm and 405rwtq@4900rpm. Then we switched to E85 and the car made 457.8rwhp@6100rpm and 421.0rwtq@4800rpm.. I am not sure what the dyno record is for a stock bottom end LT1 N/A is but i have to be close.. I will have track times soon.. The car increased across the board on the E85 not just in one certain area. To say the least i am happy..



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Nice #'s
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E85 is a better fuel? I thought it sucked for performance?
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Originally Posted by MeanGreen97Z
E85 is a better fuel? I thought it sucked for performance?
It burns more like alky

Congrats with it.......

Call Eric and let him know....I'm sure he would be glad to hear what you've done.
edit: I guess you talked to him allready

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Originally Posted by MeanGreen97Z
E85 is a better fuel? I thought it sucked for performance?
yeah thats what i always thought too, i was pretty sure something like less power and worse fuel economy, and more expensive

guess i was wrong

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Using E-85 in a gasoline engine has the drawback of achieving lower fuel economy as more fuel is needed per unit air (stoichiometric fuel ratio) to run the engine in comparison with gasoline. E-85, 85% Ethanol by volume, also has a lower heating value (units of energy per unit mass) than gasoline leading to a reduction in power output in a gasoline engine. E85 consumes more fuel in flex fuel type vehicles because of its lower stoichiometric fuel ratio and lower heating value. So in order to save money a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

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maybe i am confused on this, but if your making more power on E-85 i think you might be on the verge of a catastrophic failure when running gas. at least that is what i am reading
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Although proponents of E85 claim significant environmental benefits, research is showing that the growing and harvesting of corn in the US for use in E85 fuel is most likely damaging the environment and contributing to global warming.
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maybe i am confused on this, but if your making more power on E-85 i think you might be on the verge of a catastrophic failure when running gas. at least that is what i am reading
no not really.....

You could try it in your car......
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Originally Posted by mdacton
no not really.....

You could try it in your car......
yeah i really dont know, at all. i am just going by what i have read tonight only, this is new to me.

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One complication is that use of gasoline in an engine with a high enough compression ratio to use E-85 efficiently would likely result in catastrophic failure due to engine detonation, as the octane rating of gasoline is not high enough to withstand the greater compression ratios in use in an engine specifically designed to run on E-85. Use of E-85 in an engine designed specifically for gasoline would result in a loss of the potential efficiency that it is possible to gain with this fuel.
going by that quote alone i would assume that if he is making more power on this it is because the gas he is running does not have a high enough octain reading
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These results are similar to what I saw in a Chevy mag where the fellas took a built small block. They re-jetted the carb for E85 and advanced the timing. SBC's will run on E85 and they like it .
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Originally Posted by ricehammer
These results are similar to what I saw in a Chevy mag where the fellas took a built small block. They re-jetted the carb for E85 and advanced the timing. SBC's will run on E85 and they like it .
ok, now that kinda makes sense to me, you advance the timing because the fuel can handle it due to higher octain... and that makes more power.
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Thanks for all the kind words. I spoke with Eric Bradby and he was happy just like me.. I have seen alot bigger gains than my car on E85. I have seen 100rwhp gains on blown cars over race gas and 93 octane. My car was tuned on 93 octane and peak power was made at 6300 rpm with a 12.50 air fuel ratio. Check out PRO DYNO TECH.com and go under the E85 section. I may not leave the car on E85 forever but i will say this the throttle response is alot smoother.

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Originally Posted by mdacton
It burns more like alky

Congrats with it.......

Call Eric and let him know....I'm sure he would be glad to hear what you've done.
edit: I guess you talked to him allready
I compared my #s and Gary's #s from his 1997 Trans Am that Joe and Eric did the same setup for . The #s from 3000 rpms to 6000rpms are almost exactly the same, its almost scary.

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Are you running really big injectors for the E85, and two fuel pumps or? I know it takes 3 times the fuel as normal gas doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by cvccbum
Are you running really big injectors for the E85, and two fuel pumps or? I know it takes 3 times the fuel as normal gas doesn't it?
I am running 42# injectors and a walbro gs-340 series fuel pump. You need about 28-30% more fuel.

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