Is this a scam?
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From: Baltimore, MD
Is this a scam?
I am selling my 97 z28 30th anniversary and it is posted on autotrader. check out this email I got. It looks like a scam to me. Has anyone ever seen anything like this before? Thanks.
DEAR I have finalized issues with my customer now. He has
just informed me that he is expecting a refund payment, of a
vehicle
that he had earlier ordered and paid for before, but the order
was
later cancelled,
because when the agent who went for the pick up of the vehicle,
inspected the vehicle, he discovered that vehicle was not in any
good
condition, so he cancelled the order and he then filed in
for a refund of his money.Also he said that the bills will be
taken
care of by the shipping company that will come for the pickup.
He intends use this his refund to pay for this your car
that he has now ordered for. And due to company policy and book
keeping, this refund payment which he is expecting, can only be
made
out in this one whole amount, that is, the full amount that he
paid
before because the company policy only allows a refund payment
in
one
cashier check, so he has to instruct for the check payment to be
drawn
to you. So he has informed me that payment will get to you in a
cashier check.
He is expecting a refund payment of $14,700 When payment gets to
you,
you are required to deduct the cost of your car which is
$9,700.and
return his remaining balance of $5,000. back to my customer for
him
to
be able to offset shipping charges and other commisson charges.
After all payment has reached you and balance sent back to my
customer,
the agent will come for pick up, while you send other the
reciept
and
other title papers to my client via courier.
You are required to forward your payment information
(1) Legal Name
(2)Address and
(3) Phone number for payment to be delivered to you immediately
Regard Paul
BUYER INFO
Name: paul motors
E-Mail Address: paulorsmotors012@yahoo.com
Comments: Hi this is paul we specialliised in buying and selling
cars to our client one of them saw your car in the net
and was interested he say you offer for $9,900 but can
afford $9,700 if okey by you get back asap
Thanks
paul
DEAR I have finalized issues with my customer now. He has
just informed me that he is expecting a refund payment, of a
vehicle
that he had earlier ordered and paid for before, but the order
was
later cancelled,
because when the agent who went for the pick up of the vehicle,
inspected the vehicle, he discovered that vehicle was not in any
good
condition, so he cancelled the order and he then filed in
for a refund of his money.Also he said that the bills will be
taken
care of by the shipping company that will come for the pickup.
He intends use this his refund to pay for this your car
that he has now ordered for. And due to company policy and book
keeping, this refund payment which he is expecting, can only be
made
out in this one whole amount, that is, the full amount that he
paid
before because the company policy only allows a refund payment
in
one
cashier check, so he has to instruct for the check payment to be
drawn
to you. So he has informed me that payment will get to you in a
cashier check.
He is expecting a refund payment of $14,700 When payment gets to
you,
you are required to deduct the cost of your car which is
$9,700.and
return his remaining balance of $5,000. back to my customer for
him
to
be able to offset shipping charges and other commisson charges.
After all payment has reached you and balance sent back to my
customer,
the agent will come for pick up, while you send other the
reciept
and
other title papers to my client via courier.
You are required to forward your payment information
(1) Legal Name
(2)Address and
(3) Phone number for payment to be delivered to you immediately
Regard Paul
BUYER INFO
Name: paul motors
E-Mail Address: paulorsmotors012@yahoo.com
Comments: Hi this is paul we specialliised in buying and selling
cars to our client one of them saw your car in the net
and was interested he say you offer for $9,900 but can
afford $9,700 if okey by you get back asap
Thanks
paul
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 403
From: Tampa, FL
Yes, I just read about those. Apparantely cashiers checks take longer before they are determined bad so you subtract the balance to send for shipping and when it bounces... guess what! you just lost X amount of dollars that you sent for shipping and get blamed for the bad check.
I suggest you report as much of that info as possible to autotrader or anyone that has the power to look into it.
If the third party stuff wasn't enough to show it was a scam how about all that horrible grammar and spelling??
Yeah big fat scam right there... I can't believe some people fall for this stuff.
I suggest you report as much of that info as possible to autotrader or anyone that has the power to look into it.
If the third party stuff wasn't enough to show it was a scam how about all that horrible grammar and spelling??
Yeah big fat scam right there... I can't believe some people fall for this stuff.
Last edited by RMC; Jan 13, 2004 at 08:28 AM.
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From: Oklahoma where trees are made of wood.
I wouldnt do a thing until I had all the money up front, the delivery is the buyers responsibility. Make him come get it and pay in full, do not sign over the title until the check clears.
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Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,831
From: Middle Tennessee
A cashier's check should be drawn on the bank itself, not an account.
When you get a cashier's check, they withdraw the amount of the check from the account right then. They bank has the funds, so there's no way a cashier's check can "bounce"... Cashier's checks and money orders are guaranteed funds, meaning the money to cover the amount of the check or MO has already been paid to cover it.
But, this still screams scam. The language used sounds like someone who can't speak english properly trying to pull one over.
When you get a cashier's check, they withdraw the amount of the check from the account right then. They bank has the funds, so there's no way a cashier's check can "bounce"... Cashier's checks and money orders are guaranteed funds, meaning the money to cover the amount of the check or MO has already been paid to cover it.
But, this still screams scam. The language used sounds like someone who can't speak english properly trying to pull one over.
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 403
From: Tampa, FL
Originally posted by LWillmann
A cashier's check should be drawn on the bank itself, not an account.
When you get a cashier's check, they withdraw the amount of the check from the account right then. They bank has the funds, so there's no way a cashier's check can "bounce"... Cashier's checks and money orders are guaranteed funds, meaning the money to cover the amount of the check or MO has already been paid to cover it.
A cashier's check should be drawn on the bank itself, not an account.
When you get a cashier's check, they withdraw the amount of the check from the account right then. They bank has the funds, so there's no way a cashier's check can "bounce"... Cashier's checks and money orders are guaranteed funds, meaning the money to cover the amount of the check or MO has already been paid to cover it.
Here this is kind of funny.
http://saabnet.com/tsn/class/scam/
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Joined: Sep 1999
Posts: 506
From: Boulder, CO. USA
Originally posted by tmuti13
thanks everyone, i would have never given this guy any info or signed a title over without receiving cash. hopefully i can slam this guy. I'm forwarding it over to autotrader.
thanks everyone, i would have never given this guy any info or signed a title over without receiving cash. hopefully i can slam this guy. I'm forwarding it over to autotrader.
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 403
From: Tampa, FL
You could have so much fun with this guy. Play along and post the correspondance in the lounge and the picture of the counterfeit check when it comes back.
That way they at least lose some money in shipping and get frustrated over the whole deal. Plus you can have a cool counterfeited cashiers check and we all get a little entertainment!
That way they at least lose some money in shipping and get frustrated over the whole deal. Plus you can have a cool counterfeited cashiers check and we all get a little entertainment!
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Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 861
From: Philly Suburbs
Originally posted by WS Sick
Cashiers checks can be cancelled.
Cashiers checks can be cancelled.
It's a scam. I got a similar one when I was selling my engine. I emailed the guy back and told him I wasn't interested in his scam. He never responded.
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here is a sticky from another message board....
quote:A lesson in gullibility cost a Frederick County man almost $3,000 last month.
The 22-year-old Cannon Circle man is out $2,968 after being taken in an international Internet operation known as the Nigerian Net Scam.
Frederick County Sheriff’s Office Maj. Robert C. Eckman said the scam basically works like this:
“You have something expensive, like a vehicle or a horse, for sale. They contact you saying they’re a buyer. If you’re selling it for $1,000, they say, ‘We’ll send you a certified check for $5,000.’”
The “buyer” in the scam says because they live overseas, they will send a “shipper,” who they say lives locally, to pick up the item, Eckman said.
The seller is directed to deposit the certified check and use the money, beyond the cost of the item, to pay the shipper for sending the item overseas.
“You deposit the check in the bank, and the bank clears the check,” Eckman said. “The shipper doesn’t come by. They ask you to send the remainder back to them.”
The Frederick County man was selling a car online, Eckman said. He asked $800 for the 1989 Nissan, Sheriff’s Office Investigator Bob Dean said.
“They sent him a forged cashier’s check for $4,000, and he was supposed to send them back $2,800,” Dean said. “It cost $168 to send the money Western Union, so he’s out a total $2,968.”
The man reported the scam to the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office on Oct. 27. Dean said it is unlikely he will ever get his money back.
Investigators’ advice to avoid this situation is the same as it is for any other scam.
“If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is,” Dean said. “If you’ve got a car for $1,000 and someone is willing to send you a $5,000 check for it, it’s probably a scam.”
What you have there is a scam. Their basically telling you to bend over without any lube, write them back and tell them to go **** themselves.
quote:A lesson in gullibility cost a Frederick County man almost $3,000 last month.
The 22-year-old Cannon Circle man is out $2,968 after being taken in an international Internet operation known as the Nigerian Net Scam.
Frederick County Sheriff’s Office Maj. Robert C. Eckman said the scam basically works like this:
“You have something expensive, like a vehicle or a horse, for sale. They contact you saying they’re a buyer. If you’re selling it for $1,000, they say, ‘We’ll send you a certified check for $5,000.’”
The “buyer” in the scam says because they live overseas, they will send a “shipper,” who they say lives locally, to pick up the item, Eckman said.
The seller is directed to deposit the certified check and use the money, beyond the cost of the item, to pay the shipper for sending the item overseas.
“You deposit the check in the bank, and the bank clears the check,” Eckman said. “The shipper doesn’t come by. They ask you to send the remainder back to them.”
The Frederick County man was selling a car online, Eckman said. He asked $800 for the 1989 Nissan, Sheriff’s Office Investigator Bob Dean said.
“They sent him a forged cashier’s check for $4,000, and he was supposed to send them back $2,800,” Dean said. “It cost $168 to send the money Western Union, so he’s out a total $2,968.”
The man reported the scam to the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office on Oct. 27. Dean said it is unlikely he will ever get his money back.
Investigators’ advice to avoid this situation is the same as it is for any other scam.
“If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is,” Dean said. “If you’ve got a car for $1,000 and someone is willing to send you a $5,000 check for it, it’s probably a scam.”
What you have there is a scam. Their basically telling you to bend over without any lube, write them back and tell them to go **** themselves.