Racetronix pump and fuel pressure problem
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Just an update... All fixed Jack. Thanks for the reply. 20-30 min of work last night ans all is well. The pump is awsome and I cant wait to run the car to test it out.
I have to agree with camarokid24... although I do not agree with the way he said it. It would have been nice to have some "guidelines" in the kit. I mean you souldnt have to put detailed instructions on how to get the pump in and out. That is pretty straight forward but items like the clamp extra O ring can throw people for a loop. Anyway, thanks for everything... Im heading to the track today to test it out.
I have to agree with camarokid24... although I do not agree with the way he said it. It would have been nice to have some "guidelines" in the kit. I mean you souldnt have to put detailed instructions on how to get the pump in and out. That is pretty straight forward but items like the clamp extra O ring can throw people for a loop. Anyway, thanks for everything... Im heading to the track today to test it out.
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hey camarokid, did your car not start at all after you installed your pump by clamping it to the metal line? thats the way i installed it and my car will not start at all. i crank it and every few cranks it just seems to slow down and then crank fast again. like its runs up a hill and then back down. i checked fuel pressure today and it spikes to about 45 when the pump primes but then it bleeds off really really fast, like as soon as the pump stops the needle falls. when i tried to tigheten the clamp on the metal line the clamp was a little out of round. it didn't look like it seated well but i figured since it was above the the bead on the line then it would be fine. would a leak there cause the fuel to bleed out too fast and not allow the car to start?
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Originally posted by Gearhead6s
hey camarokid, did your car not start at all after you installed your pump by clamping it to the metal line? thats the way i installed it and my car will not start at all. i crank it and every few cranks it just seems to slow down and then crank fast again. like its runs up a hill and then back down. i checked fuel pressure today and it spikes to about 45 when the pump primes but then it bleeds off really really fast, like as soon as the pump stops the needle falls. when i tried to tigheten the clamp on the metal line the clamp was a little out of round. it didn't look like it seated well but i figured since it was above the the bead on the line then it would be fine. would a leak there cause the fuel to bleed out too fast and not allow the car to start?
hey camarokid, did your car not start at all after you installed your pump by clamping it to the metal line? thats the way i installed it and my car will not start at all. i crank it and every few cranks it just seems to slow down and then crank fast again. like its runs up a hill and then back down. i checked fuel pressure today and it spikes to about 45 when the pump primes but then it bleeds off really really fast, like as soon as the pump stops the needle falls. when i tried to tigheten the clamp on the metal line the clamp was a little out of round. it didn't look like it seated well but i figured since it was above the the bead on the line then it would be fine. would a leak there cause the fuel to bleed out too fast and not allow the car to start?
The flex tube should be clamped on the push-lock fitting as shown in our ad.
http://www.racetronix.com/images/FLT1/Dcp_1591a.jpg
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Forgive me if I sounded rude wasn't ment to be. I was just a little bit frustrated with my whole pump install. I guess I was hopeing that Jack would change his mind and include instructions with his kits. Every time anyone brings up the subject of not haveing instructutions supplied ,Racetronix does not reply about it. I just think that its such a little thing to ask. I just want for everyone who buys a racetronix pump to be completly satisfied that they got the best pump kit , with everything they need even instructions. (wich everyone might not need) If you don't need them then toss them aside like we all do sometimes when putting things togeather and feel confident that if you get stuck some where in the process , you can simply grab your discarded instructions and see where you got lost. Knowing what I know now I would gladly have payed more $ for the kit knowing that there is detalied instructions supplied.
About my cars situation I also made the same mistake alot of people made and put the flex tube directly on the metal line and I am sure that is why my car's hard starting syptoms have not gotten any better with the install of the pump. I have checked everything else I can think of. My car started after the install and runs but it still takes a bit of cranking to get her to turn over. Also my gas guage reads way over full all the time now. I hope to god I didn't screw up the float part, as a new sending unit is $$$. I am going to take her out and fix a few things I did wrong and see if that helps this weekend.
I still think that it is a great kit and I am sure I will be satisfied with it when I fix the mistakes I made. I just can't help thinking that if I had the instructions I wouldn't have made the dumb mistakes I did thats all.
About my cars situation I also made the same mistake alot of people made and put the flex tube directly on the metal line and I am sure that is why my car's hard starting syptoms have not gotten any better with the install of the pump. I have checked everything else I can think of. My car started after the install and runs but it still takes a bit of cranking to get her to turn over. Also my gas guage reads way over full all the time now. I hope to god I didn't screw up the float part, as a new sending unit is $$$. I am going to take her out and fix a few things I did wrong and see if that helps this weekend.
I still think that it is a great kit and I am sure I will be satisfied with it when I fix the mistakes I made. I just can't help thinking that if I had the instructions I wouldn't have made the dumb mistakes I did thats all.
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Maybe they don't reply to posts regarding the lack of instructions or do not include instructions because some moron will install it wrong and blow up their car and they may be held liable for a car-b-que. Its probably safer to sell the item as a kit and give a warning or suggestion to have a professional mechanic to install the kit.
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Maybe they don't reply to posts regarding the lack of instructions or do not include instructions because some moron will install it wrong and blow up their car and they may be held liable for a car-b-que. Its probably safer to sell the item as a kit and give a warning or suggestion to have a professional mechanic to install the kit.
All they would have to do is at the top of the page is to put, Use instructions at your own risk, Racetronix is not resposible for any damage, vehicle or personal that was a result of the use of these supplied insructions. I am sure that it can be better said but you get the idea. So I am a moron, thats ok ,I admit that I sometimes make mistakes when installing things that I have never done before. But I learn from them. I am just a guy who didn't think that $ 600 to replace a fuel pump was a good price. I am not Rich. I have spent five years paying for my car and now that I have it payed for I fianaly have the funds to do what I wanted all along to Mod the heck out of it!
You may not need instructions to do installs but everyone has to start somewhere.
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Originally posted by blown383
Maybe they don't reply to posts regarding the lack of instructions or do not include instructions because some moron will install it wrong and blow up their car and they may be held liable for a car-b-que. Its probably safer to sell the item as a kit and give a warning or suggestion to have a professional mechanic to install the kit.
-B
Maybe they don't reply to posts regarding the lack of instructions or do not include instructions because some moron will install it wrong and blow up their car and they may be held liable for a car-b-que. Its probably safer to sell the item as a kit and give a warning or suggestion to have a professional mechanic to install the kit.
-B
The system is very well thought out. Someone who has the required skills and experience in dealing with pump installations is well beyond the point of requiring a manual to install our system. Many people installing these pumps have little or no technical experience. Even worse yet they have not been educated on the hazards of working with dangerous fuel vapors and in-tank wiring. To cover these issues is well beyond the scope of any D-I-Y manual we would be able to provide.
Perhaps in the future we will supply an official F-LT1 manual BUT we have to consider the responsibility that goes along with encouraging the installation of these systems by non-qualified persons. The age of the F-LT1 metal tanks are of MAJOR concern as many are failing and without proper inspection by qualified persons some dangerous situations could arise.
Currently there are many people cutting holes in their trunks to access the pump module thereby exposing areas containing gas vapor with inadequate ventilation to:
Sparks from cutting wheels
Sparks from electric motor brushes
Heated metal
Trouble lamps
Tanks not being drained, flushed and inspected for leaks, rust, contamination, etc.
Static discharge
There have been people who have cut through the fuel lines due to their close proximity to the hatch floor as well.
Anybody who might be reading this thread and considering a Racetronix pump system should thoroughly review our ad and pictures to determine if they have the qualifications to install it themselves.
If not they should consider having it installed by a qualified technician. We do not recommend the trap door method of installation for many reasons some of which are addressed above.
These considerations are not specific to Racetronix product but rather to any fuel pump installation.
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I agree, but you have include a note atleast stating what to do with that GROUND cable because if you want the battery side of it to acctually connect to the battery well I don't see how since the negative terminal on the battery barely fits to begin with due to the close proximity to the body of the car, things like that, but nothing on how to install the pump just things like that & this extra o-ring where it goes, doens't have to be much just 3 sentences worth of instructions.
So how does the negative terminal you provide install? LOL.
So how does the negative terminal you provide install
? LOL.
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Originally posted by bunker
I agree, but you have include a note atleast stating what to do with that GROUND cable because if you want the battery side of it to acctually connect to the battery well I don't see how since the negative terminal on the battery barely fits to begin with due to the close proximity to the body of the car, things like that, but nothing on how to install the pump just things like that & this extra o-ring where it goes, doens't have to be much just 3 sentences worth of instructions.
So how does the negative terminal you provide install? LOL.
I agree, but you have include a note atleast stating what to do with that GROUND cable because if you want the battery side of it to acctually connect to the battery well I don't see how since the negative terminal on the battery barely fits to begin with due to the close proximity to the body of the car, things like that, but nothing on how to install the pump just things like that & this extra o-ring where it goes, doens't have to be much just 3 sentences worth of instructions.
So how does the negative terminal you provide install
? LOL.
The top of the battery nut has an accessory bolt to which the ground cable attaches. This is why it is marked 'BATTERY -'.
The other end attaches to the closest body ground possible. This end is marked 'CHASSIS GROUND'. The second battery nut is just so you can have a matched set on your battery + terminal.
Everybody likes shiny brass nuts. They are worth two tenths in the quarter.
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Thanx, hu thats interesting, thats the first thing I though that those brass nuts replace the current ones but when I looked at them in the package they didn't look like the stock ones & I didn't think these could replace those, thanx!
Matt.
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Originally posted by bunker
Thanx, hu thats interesting, thats the first thing I though that those brass nuts replace the current ones but when I looked at them in the package they didn't look like the stock ones & I didn't think these could replace those, thanx!
Matt.
Thanx, hu thats interesting, thats the first thing I though that those brass nuts replace the current ones but when I looked at them in the package they didn't look like the stock ones & I didn't think these could replace those, thanx!
Matt.
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Thank you for responding Jack I understand your concerns with supplying instructions. Just know that people on here highly recommend your Co., That is why I decided to buy your kit. You didn't have to encourage people to buy your kit or install them people have done it for you. I never blamed Racetronix for not supplying the instructions. Just thought that sence alot of people buy your kit who aren't qualified mechanics, that it would be nice to know that they are less likely to make a big mistake. Thank you for at least considering supplying them. Anthony
I understand your concerns with supplying instructions. Just know that people on here highly recommend your Co., That is why I decided to buy your kit. You didn't have to encourage people to buy your kit or install them people have done it for you. I never blamed Racetronix for not supplying the instructions. Just thought that sence alot of people buy your kit who aren't qualified mechanics, that it would be nice to know that they are less likely to make a big mistake. Thank you for at least considering supplying them. Anthony
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Originally posted by camarokid24
Thank you for responding Jack I understand your concerns with supplying instructions. Just know that people on here highly recommend your Co., That is why I decided to buy your kit. You didn't have to encourage people to buy your kit or install them people have done it for you. I never blamed Racetronix for not supplying the instructions. Just thought that sence alot of people buy your kit who aren't qualified mechanics, that it would be nice to know that they are less likely to make a big mistake. Thank you for at least considering supplying them. Anthony
Thank you for responding Jack
I understand your concerns with supplying instructions. Just know that people on here highly recommend your Co., That is why I decided to buy your kit. You didn't have to encourage people to buy your kit or install them people have done it for you. I never blamed Racetronix for not supplying the instructions. Just thought that sence alot of people buy your kit who aren't qualified mechanics, that it would be nice to know that they are less likely to make a big mistake. Thank you for at least considering supplying them. Anthony
