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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 03:17 PM
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Proper location of grounds for LT1

1993 Pontiac Firehawk (LT1)

I'm troubleshooting issues with my new 383. (recently installed, replaced old motor)
I found that my MAP, IAT and AC sensors all have voltage on their Ground wires.
I wanted to make sure I have all of my grounds done correctly.

I have
- One big flat ground from the chassis to the block. (driver's side)
- One group of small ground wires in the harness on the driver's side of the block.
(which appear to be the three from block 2 in the ECM)
- One big ground between the Starter and battery (passenger side of block)

Then I have two small black wires with white stripes, which I beleive to be O2 sensor grounds.
(I have a heated o2 conversion; but that shouldn't matter.
These come down in the insulated conduit from the ECM.)
They're near the starter, I had them bolted to the oil pan, but I was going to move them up to the block to match SHBox's photo.
http://shbox.com/1/g103.jpg

I just wanted to make sure I am not missing a ground somewhere.

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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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That sounds like all of them on the engine.
Old Dec 3, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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The only other one I know of is the stud on the fender.

Is there anything else that would have been disconnected as part of an engine pull?
(I didn't remove the original, but I did put the new one in; which makes this that much tougher)
Old Dec 3, 2008 | 04:26 PM
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Nothing on the RH shock tower ground has to be taken off to remove the engine.
Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shoebox
Nothing on the RH shock tower ground has to be taken off to remove the engine.
Do you see any reason I can't relocate the black/white O2 grounds up to the RH shock tower ground post?
That would sure make my wiring a lot easier.


So here's the real issue.
I'm finding 70mV on the ground side of my IAT/MAP/AC sensor harness.
Somewhere, something must be shorted and passing that voltage.
I'm worried that it may be inside the ECM since those three
circuits come together on B3.

When I check the harness ground on the block, I see a 0mV drop from there to the battery.
(Which is good ... except that it points at there being an issue in the ECM)

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 12:11 AM
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Diagram for reference.
Note that IAT, MAP and AC Press share a common LO reference circuit (blk).
What I am seeing, is an identical signal on the MAP's Ground (lt green)

Old Dec 4, 2008 | 06:42 AM
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Are you seeing this voltage with the key off or on? If with it off, I would not worry about it.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by shoebox
Are you seeing this voltage with the key off or on? If with it off, I would not worry about it.
Key on, Engine Off.

The voltage is the same on both ground and low reference.
Which is really the problem since I don't see how the ECM can possibly get a
clean signal with additional voltage present. (Which probably explains the
low kPa readings and rich condition)
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