has anyone passed emmissions with a le2 cam and great tuning?i'm trying to decide if should take my chances or just get a le1 cam.i plan on doing le2 heads,injectors,RR's and all those goodies,but just need help with the cam choice.damn you california!

anyone running le2 heads and an le1 cam?if so,how do you like it?

 

I dont think youd have a chance passing with a LE2 cam. I'm pretty sure there is an emmissions version of the LE1 cam you can get through Lloyd. You should email him and ask.

 

I got good results with Karl Ellwein building a 383 for me with LE2 heads and his LE 1.1 emissions cam. Here's a link with dyno results at the bottom:

http://www.ellweinengines.com/ERE8/ERE8.htm

I haven't been to the sniffer yet, but I don't see any issues. I'm in SoCal.

Good luck with your build.

 

Not a chance in hell of you passing emissions with the LE2 cam.

 

nice build.

 

You could always talk to Lloyd before hand. I'm sure he can get you setup with a package that will make good power but still keep you emissions compliant.

 

Yep there is a emissions cam as well, the better the heads and more compression are the only good ways to get more power in emissions setups. There is only so much you can do with the cam. Even so I was impressed that Karl got 518hp out of that emissions legal!

Bret

 

The power part is verified, the emissions part is not.

 

Was it dyno'd with all the emissions equipment in place? Last I checked, long tube headers are not emission compliant in CA. The only thing I'm trying to clarify is that the 'proper' parts in CA will undoubtedly choke that engine a bit and to categorically state 518hp and emissions compliance is a bit misleading.

 

Ummm yes the emissions part is... that cam has passed all state tests that have been thrown at it to date. You just trolling around looking for a fight still?

Bret

 

Please put me back on ignore, unless you're ready to post up what you always avoid.

CA is the toughest test of them all, and that set-up as tested on the dyno, will not pass, even with God's cam. If you're gonna throw out the hp number and say it's an emission compliant set-up while patting yourself on the back, at least be truthful in the fact that the engine as tested is NOT compliant.

With BRE being the world class engine builder they are, I thought you'd at least acknowledge that part

 

Jesus, now I have to defend other guys....

Karl tested that setup on the dyno to make sure the motor was working correctly. Throwing a carb and a set of headers that don't go in the car that it will be run in is a common occurance, it makes the testing much less time consuming. I DIDN'T TEST THE MOTOR!!!!

I have had that cam in a emissions complaint setup, cats, emissions legal headers and all installed in cars in Cali and they DO PASS. That's what the statement was. I don't see how I misguided anyone or said otherwise oh wise one

I beleive docjones was the one who mentioned all of this in the first place, again another customer who is happy with his stuff and you question their validity.

If you want to get into a pissing match with me again, just start a new thread that says something to the sort that "Bret is a lying hump" or something of the sort. Otherwise go back to drawing houses and stop hijacking these guys threads.

Bret

 

Your words, not mine. Do you still not get how this statement is misleading? All I'm trying ot point out is that, while the number is nice, the engine is not in 'emission-compliant' state; therefore, the number quoted is not entirely relevant to what it will do with a correct emission set-up. That is all.

While it's certainly obvious who's validity is threatened, I'm unsure how docjones' validity is being questioned. I already acknowledged a nice set-up, regardless of what I think of you and your cam prowess.

Defend other guys? After the exemplary way you defended yourself in the last diatribe, I'm sure they are very comfortable you've assumed the gauntlet.

So, in the interest of the subject of this thread, why don't you post (or ask your multitude of customers to post themselves) the set-up of all these cars that have passed emissions with this cam in California. The configurations of the cars would be interesting (along with track times, dyno numbers, videos, etc.), as would some honest answers about how they got the cars to pass, other than with a couple of C-notes.

 

While we have your full attention Bert, I think there's a few folks who found the ERE site very informative and interesting with all the neat pictures showing Karl's impeccible work (we certainly know he's built a few really nice engines) on docjones' engine, and moreso the quote at the bottom of the dyno graph that suggests that there might just be some valve float issues - being that you're the cam guy, maybe you'd like to explain why there might be valve float in a brand new engine (not the first time I've read/heard this with your stuff either) with presumably 'matched' LE 1.1 valvetrain components? Is this caused by harmonics?

I don't know much about cams/valesprings & stuff, and certainly do not possess anything close to your valvetrain prowess, but that cannot be good - it appears to be losing control of the valve above 6k RPM to me, but then again, I do just draw houses Enlighten us.

 

First, considering the state that the engine was in I WAS IMPRESSED that it made that much power, UNDERSTANDING it didn't have the emissions equipment hooked up to it. Honestly I thought in the state it was tested in that 490hp would have been good, it was 25+hp more than that. Now even Karl has told HIS customer that he would expect less than that bolted into the car, and in essence that MOTOR can be bolted into a car that is setup to pass emissions and it will pass..... this thread is about emissions legal LE cams is it not? Not about you arguing every point with me.

docjones chose to share this info and YOU questioned if the setup was able to pass emissions or it wasn't, since this thread is about LE cams and asking which ones pass and which do not THE CAM is the part in question, not the cats, headers etc.... if you tried to pass emissions without those parts it doesn't matter what cam is in the motor correct? (Don't answer that we know the answer)

As for the last thread.... not going there. A customer of mine wanted to thank me with passes into a race so I went and forgot about you and your BS. Otherwise... i'm not getting into your BS, you are not a customer or a prospective customer. If guys want results then they can go look up LE setups or other guys running my stuff or come to me and ask in a e-mail or PM. Most times they come to me in the first place because they have already seen the results or had help from me. It's not hard to use the search function on here.

If Lloyd or I sold a guy a cam that needed to pass and it didn't, well then we would do what we could to make sure we got them one that did IF the cam was indeed the problem. I'd have to go thru all my orders over the last few years to see how many emissions cams have been ordered, but just to satisfiy YOU i'm not wasting that time, you have a cam already. What I do know is that of all the cams ordered (probably 20+ just for emissions) with the intent of passing emissions I have never had one fail. That includes all states, Cali, Conn, etc and countries, US, Canada, Sweeden. Most times the info I get back on emissions results is in e-mails and I get to choose if that's for public viewing or not. Guess what it's not, they passed thats all anyone cares about.

In the end what YOU are questioning and attacking here is my integrity, IF i'm lying to customers to just get more of them or screwing people over. If you were in a court of law you pretty much don't have a case there.... It's easy to do a search here and find that anyone who has delt with me has been happy. Only guys who have a problem with me are the ones that go to someone else and have some odd animosity towards me. All I need for proof is what every customer that posts up here that is happy with his results. Which last time I checked is about 100+:1 ratio.

Now on to you so you can get the last word in AGAIN........

Bret