I need a 10 second motor only combo
Originally Posted by hsyr
AFR 215 RR heads
Hogan Intake
Diet
Suspension
and every bolton you can think of
Hogan Intake
Diet
Suspension
and every bolton you can think of


Talk about bringing a bazooka to kill a finch!
But hey, that would get the job done fo' sho'.
-Mindgame
Re: I need a 10 second motor only combo
Originally Posted by Mindgame

Talk about bringing a bazooka to kill a finch!
But hey, that would get the job done fo' sho'.
-Mindgame
Do it once, do it right
Re: I need a 10 second motor only combo
guys have been really helpful...here's a list of some of the things you mentioned that I already have:
Moser 12-bolt with 4.10 gears
Hooker long tubes with Borla (wide open)
I have GTP II heads that flowed 273 @ .600
CC 306 230/244
58mm TB
Tuning (obviously)
best the car has ran with current setup is 12.0 with at 114.5 MPH with a 1.66 60', that was in ET Streets.
I figure I'll have to go bigger, at least a 383 but maybe even a 396. Now if you could explain the difference in going with a solid roller over the cam I have now I would appreciate it. Is it just a matter of changing cams or does other things have to be changed also since it is a solid roller? I spoke with AFR and they said there was a 4 month delay on and of their LT heads right now?!?! I would probably need a head that flows more in the 290 range.....
Basically their are several people running mid to low 11's around here on motor and if I am going to build something I want it to scare the hell outta everyone when I come around the corner. Seems a 10 second car would be the only way to impress around here....
Moser 12-bolt with 4.10 gears
Hooker long tubes with Borla (wide open)
I have GTP II heads that flowed 273 @ .600
CC 306 230/244
58mm TB
Tuning (obviously)
best the car has ran with current setup is 12.0 with at 114.5 MPH with a 1.66 60', that was in ET Streets.
I figure I'll have to go bigger, at least a 383 but maybe even a 396. Now if you could explain the difference in going with a solid roller over the cam I have now I would appreciate it. Is it just a matter of changing cams or does other things have to be changed also since it is a solid roller? I spoke with AFR and they said there was a 4 month delay on and of their LT heads right now?!?! I would probably need a head that flows more in the 290 range.....
Basically their are several people running mid to low 11's around here on motor and if I am going to build something I want it to scare the hell outta everyone when I come around the corner. Seems a 10 second car would be the only way to impress around here....
Re: I need a 10 second motor only combo
and what this "Hogan intake"?
oh, I got about $7000-$8000 I can blow on this fiascle....but obviously if I can do it for less that would be even better...
oh, I got about $7000-$8000 I can blow on this fiascle....but obviously if I can do it for less that would be even better...
Re: I need a 10 second motor only combo
Originally Posted by F(ast)-body
and what this "Hogan intake"?
oh, I got about $7000-$8000 I can blow on this fiascle....but obviously if I can do it for less that would be even better...
oh, I got about $7000-$8000 I can blow on this fiascle....but obviously if I can do it for less that would be even better...
That should tell you all you need to know about them.
If you got that kind of coin to spend then seriously get AFR 215 RR heads fully ported by someone other than AFR and a hogan intake and you will be halfway there with some money left over
Re: I need a 10 second motor only combo
I think your car may be a little down on power for the combo. I would expect it to be closer to 120 mph with those parts, which would be good for 11.3 range.
Given what you already have, I'd find the problem with the current setup. Once you get it running right for what it is, get a little more work done to the heads, stroke it and make sure the compression is over 11/1, do major intake manifold work, and put in a Comp cam using a 3317 intake lobe on a 102 C/L and 3170 exhaust lobe on a 110 C/L. That would end up 242/248 - 106, +4 with .576/.576 lift.
Given what you already have, I'd find the problem with the current setup. Once you get it running right for what it is, get a little more work done to the heads, stroke it and make sure the compression is over 11/1, do major intake manifold work, and put in a Comp cam using a 3317 intake lobe on a 102 C/L and 3170 exhaust lobe on a 110 C/L. That would end up 242/248 - 106, +4 with .576/.576 lift.
Re: I need a 10 second motor only combo
I've worked with a few guys on 11.0 high 10's LT1 stuff... A 383 with AFR's and a SR gets it done most of the time, and this is without tuning and all sorts of crazy work.
I still say for most guys it's a suspension problem. I have a buddy going 11.2-3 on a STOCK LS1, no cam, no ported heads and 3200-3300lbs... but then again his short times rock. Thanks to Billingsley. It's also @ 119mph, which is about 3-4 mph slower than what most guys hit in that RPM range, it's all traction not power.
500-550hp should be ample power to get this done if the rest of the car is there. That's not crazy hard to do. I would go the 355 route since it's cheap and not going to break.
If you are stepping up on intakes, for about half of a Hogans you can do a EFI single plane the right way and be going just as fast. Done a few of these too and they have always worked.
I agree on the low 10's it's a lot more work. You can basically work with the same package but tweak everything to get there. There are a lot of details in that 1 sec that are not easy to come by.
AFR 215RR's are nice, but for the $$$ I would convert some SBC head over and go from there. You can find good deals on better 23* stuff and 18* stuff if you want to get this crazy, then again you could end up going 9's in a street car like Mindgame does. Then again he probably has more budget to throw at this.
Mike.... as far as a Hyd Roller Cam that big.... at that point a SR is the way to go. Your starting to cam the motor for a range that without lots of light parts and the right combination it's just not going to work as well and a SR can get it done with less pain and make more power for less or the same amount of moolah. I agree that the duration range Mindgame is talking about is healthy and SR territory, you better have a big stall if you are in the 260 duration range. More cam is not always the answer, in fact most hyd roller setups I fix taking cam out of the motor helps them more than anything.
Bret
I still say for most guys it's a suspension problem. I have a buddy going 11.2-3 on a STOCK LS1, no cam, no ported heads and 3200-3300lbs... but then again his short times rock. Thanks to Billingsley. It's also @ 119mph, which is about 3-4 mph slower than what most guys hit in that RPM range, it's all traction not power.
500-550hp should be ample power to get this done if the rest of the car is there. That's not crazy hard to do. I would go the 355 route since it's cheap and not going to break.
If you are stepping up on intakes, for about half of a Hogans you can do a EFI single plane the right way and be going just as fast. Done a few of these too and they have always worked.
I agree on the low 10's it's a lot more work. You can basically work with the same package but tweak everything to get there. There are a lot of details in that 1 sec that are not easy to come by.
AFR 215RR's are nice, but for the $$$ I would convert some SBC head over and go from there. You can find good deals on better 23* stuff and 18* stuff if you want to get this crazy, then again you could end up going 9's in a street car like Mindgame does. Then again he probably has more budget to throw at this.
Mike.... as far as a Hyd Roller Cam that big.... at that point a SR is the way to go. Your starting to cam the motor for a range that without lots of light parts and the right combination it's just not going to work as well and a SR can get it done with less pain and make more power for less or the same amount of moolah. I agree that the duration range Mindgame is talking about is healthy and SR territory, you better have a big stall if you are in the 260 duration range. More cam is not always the answer, in fact most hyd roller setups I fix taking cam out of the motor helps them more than anything.
Bret
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