A tech at work has a 02 mustang GT vert 5spd, that is running 14.4 with some of his own tuning. He is buying intake/exhaust/gears and a vortech supercharger over winter, and said that no stock bore lt1 could come close to what he will be running... I ran a 14.124 with a 2.2xx 60ft bone stock, and have since added a loudmouth and fipk with some much better tires on the salad shooters. I plan on get SLP duat cat shorties, and a torque converter, and I want to do a stock unported head/cam deal and beat this guy. What can I do? My car is an auto with 3.23 gears, and though the hotcam comes in a nice price for the package, I don't think the performance will make me happy. I don't want to go too big and have to spin the rpms much past 6k. I don't think he will be running anymore than the kit's specified boost, and he can drive. What cam do you guys recommend?

 

CC305 has a little bit better gains then the hotcam but is still streetable. Its a good midrange power cam.

 

well, if he's trying to make a gt convertible fast, he probably doesn't even know what he's in for. sounds like one of those people who think that boring the motor out makes it super fast. but in case he's not... most sueprchargers for stock bottom ends are 4-6psi. so plan on him going 6 psi, gears, headers, basic bolt ons. All you would have to do is run a 13.0 to be competetive, unless he's doing something big. sounds like the basic bolt on job with some boost. who knows though. if you want to do a cam, u can always pick something like a cc305. everybody likes that cam and it will make more power than a hotcam. add 1.6 rr's and you've got something like .541/.541 lift. duration is 220/230 @ .050 if i remember right. it's a good cam for a bolt on car. a converter will definately help you. dump the slp shorty idea and go for long tubes. jethot sells their longtubes for 499 with ceramic coating, and a y-pipe for another 175 or so. pretty good deal. with basic bolt ons and stock heads, you should be somewhere around 350-360rwhp. thats just my guess, but add about 20 hp from any hotcam numbers you might see. this is what i was told a while back, when looking at buying a cc305

 

I found someone on the board selling a 227/227 cam thats new in the box for 200 dollars, with 1.6 pro mags, crane 10308 valvespring kit, stock lifters?, 1-piece pushrods, headers/cat-back, fipk, 2800 vigilante converter think mid to high 12;s is out of the question? and low 12's to high 11's with well ported heads? Would staying emissions legal be out of the question? I want to budget somewhere around 1500-2000 for parts this winter, and do the labor myself. Headers are going to be ~500 dollars, same with the converter, cam, valvesprings, pushrods, rockers will be around ~700 dollars? Seems like that is a good deal. Would a mail-order tune from Madz28 or PCMforless be a good tune until I can afford a good dyno tune?

 

A 227/227 cam is not a good cam for a stock lt1. Get a cam with more duration on the exhaust than on the intake and you will have a better result. The rest of your parts look fine and you should easily run mid 12's with boltons and a cam.

 

SLP dual cat shorties arent the best way to go. I'd at least try a single cat conversion of some good mids or perhaps emission equiped longtubes. I'd recommend AS&M/RK Sports/SLP/MAC/ in that order for mids, or emissioned Jethots/Hookers/Pacesetters. I am not sure what his combo will run, but there are a few ways to get close. Easiest N2O, if you like that route. LTs or good mids/CAI/catback/2800 stall should put you at or below 13 flat if you have traction. I'd say nothing less than a XE224/230 cam, the 227/233 is a nice contendor also. Of course the 1.6 RR's and other valvetrain parts. A lot of people are running rear 12 flat with combos like this. Try to buy used to stay underbudget and get more for your money. Madwolf's tunes are awesome, I just recent put one on my car and it pulls real mean all the way through.

Something to consider, would be cruise on over to the Pony websites and see what a similar car runs. Also perhaps even ask what they run. Its all about research. Also let us know what they run, hell I'd like to know. Good Luck!

-Dustin-

 

I think he needs to get somebody else to do his tuning. 14.4? That is pitiful, even for a stock Mustang.

Get some bolt ons for yourself and throw a little shot of gas on there and hurt his feelings.

 

14.4 isn't bad for a stock 5 spd GT convertible. seems about normal. it's hard to say that a low end torque challenged 4.6 260hp stang can go much faster with the extra drag and weight of a convertible. when my friend had a bone stock lt1 6spd, we were excact (from a roll) to an auto GT stang with a catback and the factory performance gear option. (3.23's or whatever they are). if my friend would have had any kind of reaction time to the stoplight at all, we would have jumped out about a 1/2 car ahead. probably the closest race i've ever seen. the cars didn't move position a single inch from 20-100 mph. most stock lt1 6 spds are running 14.2-14.4 with an average driver behind the wheel.

 

id say get a vigilante 2800 stall torque converter, some nitto dr's, and a NX wet shot with all the safety stuff, youll be truckin

 

I would have to agree that the 227/227 isn't great, it was just a cam I saw for sale on the board, and I didn't think a dual pattern cam would work well. I lke the 227/233, and think it could pass emissions? I plan on going with the shorties for the time due to it being a dual cat car and stay emissions legal. I forgot about combination motorsports products all together, most items from them seem cheaper than other places price wise. I think I should be able to take this mustang down with bolt-ons and a cam, with little problem. Maybe I will forego the cam .

 

I thought you said he was buying a supercharger. With just bolt ons, you might now have enough. Around here, new Mustangs are running 14.1-13.8s stock. I just based my prior thought on that info. My friend had a bone stock gt and ran 8.80s and 13.8-13.9s with his.

 

I would say get a good stall converter with sticky tires and some LT headers and he wont be able to touch you.

 

u puttin money on this race...

 

Nope, no money. Its a 02 Gt vert manual. Full weight, no reductions and it will have the Vortech 8psi kit, and exhaust/intake, with his own tuning. No slicks, clutch etc. From what I understand it should be a low 13 high 12 car, hardtops are usually mid twelves. I was in contact with combination motorsports and I plan on getting a cam kit from them, with the 227/233 camshaft, a 2800 or 3200 stall converter and headers.


Eric

 

then save your cash... for a mod you really want...than to beat the joneses...