Disappointing times with headers
Disappointing times with headers
I finally got some time to go to the track with my headers I installed spring break. The weather seemed pretty nice, it was low 80's with 55-60% humidity. I know that its not the best, but it wasn't bad at all. Some mods on my car are the AS&M headers, ORP, LT4 KM, SLP 2OTL, new O2's, and a K&N CAI. I was also running some bald Nitto drag radials. Weight was in at a hefty 3750 pounds.
The best time I could run all night was a 14.214@96.94. Sixty foot was at 2.115 and the eighth was 9.155@78.27. This seems to be the exact same times I ran without the headers and in worse weather conditions! The car definitely feels a lot faster and pulls well all the way to redline. I did let the car sit for at least an hour so the water temp was sitting at about 165 when I ran. I know the sixty isn't that great for running Nittos. I was powerbraking it and it wasn't hardly spinning. I even tried an off idle launch and it didn't seem to help.
Couple of ideas as to why maybe it isn't running as well as wanted:
1. I am hearing a slight clank coming from the drivers side valve cover. I would think maybe my rockers need to be readjusted. They are stock and as far as I know, havn't been in a long time. Could misadjusted rockers not allow me to run well?
2. After my car was warmed up the other day, I could hear a kind of wierd noise coming from my air diverter valves for the A.I.R. It was kind of a clank/ringing type noise. Could they be bad?
3. Maybe the car needs a new computer tune? It is all tuned up, I did plugs/wires last year and new O2's the day before running as well as a fuel filter. They all looked great when I did headers. I know that none of the wires are burned. The idle is smooth and it pulls up to redline very well without any hesitiations. From what I understand headers tend to make the car run really rich so maybe a tune could help?
I do have access to an Actron super scanner if that could be of any help with some readings. I was really hoping for at least high 13's!
The best time I could run all night was a 14.214@96.94. Sixty foot was at 2.115 and the eighth was 9.155@78.27. This seems to be the exact same times I ran without the headers and in worse weather conditions! The car definitely feels a lot faster and pulls well all the way to redline. I did let the car sit for at least an hour so the water temp was sitting at about 165 when I ran. I know the sixty isn't that great for running Nittos. I was powerbraking it and it wasn't hardly spinning. I even tried an off idle launch and it didn't seem to help.
Couple of ideas as to why maybe it isn't running as well as wanted:
1. I am hearing a slight clank coming from the drivers side valve cover. I would think maybe my rockers need to be readjusted. They are stock and as far as I know, havn't been in a long time. Could misadjusted rockers not allow me to run well?
2. After my car was warmed up the other day, I could hear a kind of wierd noise coming from my air diverter valves for the A.I.R. It was kind of a clank/ringing type noise. Could they be bad?
3. Maybe the car needs a new computer tune? It is all tuned up, I did plugs/wires last year and new O2's the day before running as well as a fuel filter. They all looked great when I did headers. I know that none of the wires are burned. The idle is smooth and it pulls up to redline very well without any hesitiations. From what I understand headers tend to make the car run really rich so maybe a tune could help?
I do have access to an Actron super scanner if that could be of any help with some readings. I was really hoping for at least high 13's!
Re: Disappointing times with headers
A tune will be good for around 2 MPH on your setup, I would say. It may be worth more if you are getting a lot of false knock from headers.
Is this car an M6 or Auto?
Is this car an M6 or Auto?
Re: Disappointing times with headers
It is an A4 so it should be giving a little better 60's. Even with an off-idle smash of the throttle, it doesn't really even spin the tires. I do get a little wheel hop but I'm planning on getting some LCA's soon. I do have the LT4 KM so wouldn't that take care of any false knock? Could I be losing a lot of power if my rockers need to be tightened? It was giving a pretty good clank/knocking noise from my valve cover last night when I was driving around.
Re: Disappointing times with headers
something is wrong there. i went 13.9 @ 99 bone stock in my a4 in those weather conditions. put it on a scanner and see whats up, and pull the valve cover as well, cant hurt.
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I would of figured that the LT4 KM would take care of any false knock. As far as the exhaust leaks go, I do not have any. The noise is clearly coming from the valve cover.
Re: Disappointing times with headers
Originally Posted by RedRyder518
I would of figured that the LT4 KM would take care of any false knock. As far as the exhaust leaks go, I do not have any. The noise is clearly coming from the valve cover.
LT-4KM will not fix false knock from the header install.
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on my 97 after i installed my headers. my solus was reading a max of 10.8 degrees of timing retard between 2800 rpms -5450 rpms. after my LT4 km install timing is only being pulled at max 2 degrees throughout the whole power band. you can take that for what it's worth.
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The guys saying it needs a tune are hilarious. There is something wrong with your car. Your car should be trapping 103-106 w/your mods, on the stock tune. Get the car on a scanner and see what's going on w/it. Figure out what's wrong w/it before you start throwing more mods at it (ie, a tune).
Re: Disappointing times with headers
Headers tend to lean out the fuel mixture, not make it richer, might be something to look at. Definately hook up a scanner to it, un-adjusted rockers can slow you down a little bit, but nothing to noticeable, esp. if it is only one or 2 of them.


