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Old May 15, 2003 | 11:44 PM
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Unhappy Clutch install gone horribly downhill!

I thought I finally finished up installing my Spec stage II and now when I went to push the clutch pedal, it was stiff but pushable, then every time after it got harder and harder to the point now that I can't even push the pedal in. Also, I can shift gears fine but when its suppose to be in gear, the car roles as if in nuetral! What did I do wrong? What should I check first?

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Old May 15, 2003 | 11:55 PM
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What may have hapened is that the fork which engages the throwout bearing may not be on all the way. When its not you can have the type of problem you describe. Drop the slave cylinder and see if you are binding the slave cylinder end of the fork into the side of the transmission housing. If you are you likely need to use a little more force to seat the fork onto the throwout bearing. I initially had the same problem with my install and fixed it in 5 minutes.

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Old May 15, 2003 | 11:58 PM
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I had the same problem.. the pedal felt okay on the first push but then it just felt weird.. really stiff. I never tried starting the car so I dunno how it would've acted then..

I will say I fixed the problem in a few minutes by fuxing with the clutch fork... it wasn't on all the way.

Just play around with the fork.. you'll get it on.

I don't think you'll have to drop the tranny again
Old May 16, 2003 | 12:06 AM
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Ok but how would you explain the fact that it roles when in gear? Is it possible that the fork is wedged in there wierd and not releasing like it should? Thanks

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Old May 16, 2003 | 12:59 AM
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Don,t feel bad at least your close to rollin again.
I have no tranny or front suspension or exhaust.
Gonna be a month before I get back up. So feel better, sounds like a clutch fork from what these guys said.
Old May 16, 2003 | 03:22 AM
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Can you explain the rolling a little more?

The car is rolling after the trans is in gear, and the clutch is disengaged or engaged?

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Old May 16, 2003 | 08:53 AM
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Like other have said.... the clutch fork is probably not in place correctly. This would also explain why is would still try to roll with the clutch pushed. It is not disengaging the clutch from the PP.
Old May 16, 2003 | 10:23 AM
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As far as the rolling goes, I put the car in first gear when it was not running and it shifted and felt completely normal, but then it wanted to roll backwards as if it was still in neutral or the clutch was in. But the was all the way out because after a couple times of depressing it, it was so stiff I couldn't even push it in.

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Old May 16, 2003 | 11:07 AM
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Ok I checked and yes the clutch fork was to low and was hittting that spacer, actually it was jammed forward. So I fixed it, and every time I tried putting it back together, it would wanna pop down to low again. I thought I had it good and then when I went to push in the clutch, the 1st time it felt smooth but then felt a little wierd, and then every time after it got harder and harder to the point that I couldn't push it again, just like before. Whats the trick here? Do I need tto us a hammer and tap on the fork to make sure its all the way up?

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Old May 16, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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Ok I dont know what to do anymore. I took it apart and the fork was jammed against the spacer, so I fixed that and then put it back together, tried the clutch pedal, same thing. So I take it apart, again the fork is jammed against the spacer. I pop it out, make sure its all the way on, tapped it with a hammer to see if it would go an farther, put everything back together tried it. This time the clutch depressed real easy, about like the stock clutch, but then it only came halfways back out. The pedal now doesn't want to return to its normal postiion but if i try to push it, its solid and doesn't wanna go down at all.

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Old May 16, 2003 | 02:40 PM
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Does anyone have any suggestions? When the fork is all the way on the PP how much of a gap should there be between the fork and the spacer? From what I can tell there is about 1/4 to 1/2in. of room. Is that about right or does it need to go on farther yet?

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Old May 16, 2003 | 03:03 PM
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Ok I just redid the fork again and now the pedal is pretty soft and smooth, but it only wants to come half ways up on its own.

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Old May 16, 2003 | 03:09 PM
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Alright Im at a loss of words now. Someone please stop me before I shoot the car and then myself. I just tried it again and now it feels like the fork is back off again. Soft, then stiff, and then rock solid. Why does the fork keep falling offf? I can feel it slide on and it feels solid, but If I just bump it or push it down a little bit the whole thing comes off again. I think as soon as the actuator pushes on it, it falls off again. Do I need to hammer that sucker on there or what? Does anyone have a pic of what it should look like when the fork is completly on?

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Old May 20, 2003 | 07:56 PM
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To be honest I dunno what it looks like when on correctly, when mine was not on correctly I didn't dissassemble anything. I just disconnected the slave cylinder and fidgeted with the fork for some time until it went on, then I tried it again and it worked.

Please tell me you're not dropping the tranny everytime to readjust the fork If you are then I can't believe you haven't shot both yourself and the car by now.

If you do have the trans down take a look at the fork and make sure it's not bent.

I really can't believe putting the clutch fork on is as hard as your describing. Just leave the trans in place and wiggle the thing around until you feel it go on. I know sometimes it feels like it's on but it's not, just keep working and you'll know.

There must be something else I'm missing, did you install everything else correctly? Did you put a bushing/bearing on the imput shaft? Are you sure the fork is not bent?

I will say that whatever you're doing now is not working, try something else. Try putting the clutch fork on in a "different" position or something. Maybe you're not sliding it on the right part of the shaft or something.

I really just don't know.. sorry I can't be more help.
Old May 20, 2003 | 08:21 PM
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Sorry i should have updated this post but I didn't. I eventually got it on all the way. And no I wasn't dropping the tranny everytime either, just the cylinder. Anyhow, what was happening was the fork wasn't sliding on all the way and I wasn't able to push it on. I ended up using a screw driver and pryed against the cylinder spacer and the fork until it popped on finally. All is well now, thanks for the help everyone.

Aaron

PS. I love this clutch for the price you can't beat it.
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