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Mar 30, 2005 | 05:58 PM

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What is the big deal about Bret not giving you the cam specs until you have paid for the cam? Bret does not make money off other peoples work, thats is for sure...He will make a cam that will be PERFECT for your engine if you give him the chance, why would you need the specs for the cam, are you competent enough to make the changes to his design to improve it? I believe Joe is the same way about the specs also, so if that is not for you you'll just have to settle for an off the shelf grind that you can attain specs. Good luck w/ your engine man, but if you want the cam choice 100% accurate, just let a professional so a custom for you and don't worry about the specs.....cuz a wise man once told me "looking at the specs doesn't really matter, its the combo'.....what does a custom cam look like?........You could engrave his name in the camshaft!......"

Ok first off, don't come off here shooting me down because I want to know what im paying for. I already stated I understand why he does it so why do you gotta come on here poking my ***** because I don't feel comfortable with buying something blind? Im sure the man knows exactly what he is doing but that just isn't for me. I've seen his posts and he is definatley an intelligent person. Sorry, I don't trust a lot of people, i've had people recommend vendors and other persons for my interests and I get disappointed quite often, forgive me if im not as trusting as you.

Mar 30, 2005 | 06:04 PM

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Ok first off, don't come off here shooting me down because I want to know what im paying for. I already stated I understand why he does it so why do you gotta come on here poking my ***** because I don't feel comfortable with buying something blind? Sorry, I don't trust a lot of people, i've had people recommend vendors and other persons for my interests and I get disappointed quite often, forgive me if im not as trusting as you.

I am not shooting you down or "poking your *****" man, I was just saying that you really don't need the specs man. Take it as you want to, sounds like you are doing the necessary research to find a reputable vendor. Before I contacted Bret to do my cam I also did research as well...look who I called. I am saying that Bret is very reputable and does great work....If you question that then I suggest you call someone else that you can trust. Also you may want to know what you are buying but will you really know by the specs?.....NO, thats why it is important to find a cam maker you are comfortable with. GOOD LUCK.

Mar 30, 2005 | 06:10 PM

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Alright, I apologize, I saw you as coming off as me being "insecure" or some other matter. I just like to know what I pay for, I may not know a lot about cams but say im shipped one with too much lope or too much lift on the springs or not enough or what if its not what I wanted, im sure the man would allow me to exchange it, but it would mean me pulling it all apart again and I just don't want to go through that. I want to be satisified with my purchase after its been brought to me and discussed with me, not when I recieve it. Once again, nothing against the cam designers, I know you guys do a good job, but going blindly is just not for me, backfired too many times for me.

Mar 30, 2005 | 06:43 PM

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I think he'd probably use an off the shelf cam or 2 (3, 4?) as a reference for a discussion on what would be recommended for you. EXACT spec's of a custom grind? No, but you'll have a very good idea of what to expect. Once an agreement has been reached and clams have changed hands, you'd get all the spec's, and the likelyhood that you get a cam to do exacly what you're looking for is much higher than an off the shelf 'best guess' stick.

Hey, I've been burned by shops too! Just standard off the shelf parts - nothing custom about 'em. But I'm still trying to get the most I can out of my time and $, and I think you are too. Just got to shake off the dust and get back in there!

Mar 30, 2005 | 07:13 PM

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Hey, I've been burned by shops too! Just standard off the shelf parts - nothing custom about 'em.

It still happens, and by whom may surprise you. Buyer beware.

Mar 30, 2005 | 07:16 PM

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Even if you buy an off the shelf cam and get the cam card with all the specs you still don't know if the cam is ground to the card specs unless you check it.. Which you can do with any cam..

Mar 30, 2005 | 07:17 PM

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thats true, but at least the decision will be firmly planted before hand. Its not like I will be exchanging the "off" cam for another because it wasn't what I needed, but rather for one with the same specs done correctly.

Mar 30, 2005 | 07:25 PM

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All you need to do is decide what you want the car to do .. I had the GM 847 cam in my car before Joes cam and let me tell you their is not much diffrence in the specs between the two cams but the cams are nothing alike in my car...Call up Bret or Joe or who ever does custom cams and tell them what you want your car to do they willl help you out..You also need to find out what lift your springs can handle.. Take it from me if you go with an off the shelf cam now i bet you will switch to a custom cam later.. Good Luck..

Mar 30, 2005 | 07:46 PM

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Re: Cam decision help need, flow #'s for heads inside.

I'm never going to change that company policy, oh well. Joe, Ed Curtis, Jay at Camshaft Innovations etc.... all do the same thing.

Thanks for the kind words guys.

If you want to know the specs before hand, call up Cam Motion they do a very good job also.

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a wise man once told me "looking at the specs doesn't really matter, its the combo'.....what does a custom cam look like?........

Hmmm I wish I said that. ;-)

Bret

Mar 30, 2005 | 08:39 PM

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Didn't bother to read all the replys, but if you know enough about cam design to think you can improve on what these professionals design, then why don't you just TELL him what you want, IF you know so much
***removes stick from his ********

Oh, and Bret, I'll be in touch with you next week when I get my flow numbers from my new heads.

Mar 30, 2005 | 08:41 PM

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WTF, seriously man? I never claimed to know more than them so please just STFU or read the entire thread.

Mar 30, 2005 | 08:48 PM

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Sorry if that was harsh. Long day, need to anonymously vent on people I will never see. Sorry

I'll pretty much be in the same situation as you are next week (hoping for about the same numbers even) so this thread is actually going to be pretty helpful for me, too.

Mar 30, 2005 | 10:47 PM

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Re: Cam decision help need, flow #'s for heads inside.

The more data I get on LT1's the more I realize that the off the shelf cams are farther and farther from optimum. A ton of what I see is too big for cars and have too little overlap.

I hope Beyonce has the flow numbers he expects to see or close to it so we can get him close to a LE2.2 cam.

Bret