Considering that was all that was going to be done(maybe nx wet 100shot) which would see higher numbers? Both cars being m6's.....

 

If its in your budget LS1 all the way....there highly underated and more in the 350hp area then the advertised 305. Most dyno 50 more hp then the LT1's right off the bat

 

That much more? Well I don't plan on getting a ls1 but a friend of mine has one and its almost a full bolt-on car. I have a lt1 and I was wondering after my bolt-ons and a hotcam kit will I be able to run head up with him? I posted in here rather than ls1 forum because I notice that their really baised (sp?). You guys usaully keep it real!

 

I'm not that sure what a bolt-on ls1 will run but it should be pretty close. Check out the times in my sig... I also expect that to go down a few tenths when I get her dyno tuned this spring.

 

Both cars will run about equal. A strong bolton LS1 can put down 340-350rwhp wiht a tune. From what I've seen a hotcam car will putdown ~330-340 with a M6. Its a driver's race.

 

Good example, you have all the bolt ons and your only running a 13.6, granted your 2.1 can be improved..but I see a ton of 6spd LS1s still runin 13.2'3's w/ 2.2 60's stock..any 6spd LS1 should be good for a low 13 out of a decent driver...add bolt ons to that and your running in the low/mid 12's(add 410's to that and your looking at high 11's), you think you'll hang w/ just a hotcam and tune? Not likely...Most good running 6spd hot cam cars generally run 12.7-12.9 range.

 

hehe You are on crack right? Bolt on Ls1 in 11's
Sebastian

 

A lot of it just depends on how the car is set up. I could make my car go faster than the 13.6 I ran I took out some weight, set up the suspension and got some sticky tires. Hell, I could probably go faster with just practice. My car is just a streetcar though so I'm not too concerned with et's. I go to the track once a year for fun.

I good friend of mine has a 2002 WS6. With a suspension, Nittos, a lid, magnaflow muffler and 4.10 gears he ran consistent 12.30s. On regular street tires and on stock supension he would have probably been running a half second slower if not more. I'm sure with some headers he could have touched 11s but since he did a cam along with his headers we will never know. I have heard of bolt on A4 cars runnign 11s with converters.

In otherwords all I'm saying is it takes more than power at the wheels to run a certain et. Set up has a lot to do with it.

 

Not not at all, theres several LS1 6spds that have ran 11.9's w/ bolt ons (long tubes) and 410's(mostly 01's and up)...remember just because you havent seen it doesnt mean that it hasnt been done.

 

I agree 100 percent but sayin that they perform equal (susp.& tires being the same) is not exactly accurate...A hot camed LT1 runs similar times to a strong stock 6spd LS1, ofcourse theres exceptions to all rules...Ive owned 2 modded LT1s and a 6spd LS1 that ran a 12.8@109 w/ nothing more then a lid n loudmouth w/ stock meat @ moroso in South florida heat ...I have experience w/ both...Back to the original poster, you might edge him out depending on how is driving is, but dont be surprised if he pulls away from you.

 

Just FYI, but I believe the LS1 bolt on record stands at about 11.40@116ish.

 

Okay, thanks u guys. I've heard a fair share of opinions. Now its time for me to step it up and see how we perform against each other. Even if he manages to edge me out, ill have a nice surprise for him burried in the trunk!

 

A pure bolt-on LS1 over at LS1Tech ran a low 11 (11.2 I believe) @ 119ish not too long ago...Was an A4 with a BIG stall and weight reduction. Actually, a guy here locally that is very well known has a '97 Firebird (used to be a 3.8) that he has since swapped in an LS1 and recently ran a 10.9X @ close to 120 with ONLY bolt-ons! Granted, the car is stripped down quite a bit, but it is still very drivable on the streets. In fact, he posted it in the dragracing forum on this board...

BTW, bolt-on LS1's are actually a dime a dozen over at LS1Tech and across the country...TONS of guys in the mid to high 11's with stock untouched motors and only bolt-ons (sorry, no juice either for the non-believers). Most are A4's with several M6's who have done it too...

Well if anyone wants to challenge me locally, I have a bolt-on only LS1 in the 340-350rwhp dyno proven range that I'll gladly take on any Hotcammed LT1.

don't get me wrong, I like my LT1, but the LS1 is truly an amazing motor (bolt-on or not).

Mike

 

Thanks for the correction. Seems that the record has since improved since last I saw. They're screamers I'll say that. I just wonder how many of them are full weight bolt on cars running mid 11's.

 

I find it hard to believe that a bolt on LS1 can trap 119. Thats about 400 rwhp.

On the issue of hotcam. If it is already ordered or installed, then great. But if not, I would consider a little bigger. My car dynoed 348 rwhp on a cc306 cam with minor bolt ons. It was even on the stock tune and stock stock rockers through MAC headers.