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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:19 PM
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so I did a compression check , all the cylinders were with in 9% of each other( lowest 208 psi highest 230 psi) I guess the compression is ok , so why am I getting smoke ?is it possible to have a oil ring going bad or broken and still have good compression? I really notice it when I have just came to a stop , I sit still for a second then it starts smoking for 2 to 5 sec then it stops? the car is running fine other than it smoking, can anyone tell me why it is doing this?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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Check the pcv valve?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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I have taken it off and cleaned it ( still can hear it rattle when I shake it ) ?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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Re: bad ,worn or broken rings/valve guides or seals

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so I did a compression check , all the cylinders were with in 9% of each other( lowest 208 psi highest 230 psi) I guess the compression is ok , so why am I getting smoke ?is it possible to have a oil ring going bad or broken and still have good compression? I really notice it when I have just came to a stop , I sit still for a second then it starts smoking for 2 to 5 sec then it stops? the car is running fine other than it smoking, can anyone tell me why it is doing this?

It's possible to be using oil and have good compression on a test.(oil in cyl's boosts the reading).Your problem sounds like valve seals.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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I have some kind of teflon valve seals( machine shop put them in 00 ) they said that they have not had any problems with them before,they said to check the intake for a leak between the heads and the inthake(sucking oil from the lifter valley) did that , not it?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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oh yea it does get a good bit of smoke when I start it, then it goes away?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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I have some kind of teflon valve seals( machine shop put them in 00 ) they said that they have not had any problems with them before,they said to check the intake for a leak between the heads and the inthake(sucking oil from the lifter valley) did that , not it?

Does 00 mean no miles?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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no I did a rebuild in the summer of 2000, just a few weeks ago started having this problem, has had a little smoke (very little )when starting for a while, but has gotten worse , looks like I'm doing a burnout when I start it now
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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no I did a rebuild in the summer of 2000, just a few weeks ago started having this problem, has had a little smoke (very little )when starting for a while, but has gotten worse , looks like I'm doing a burnout when I start it now
A good way to check to see if it's v seals:

In th drive way warm it up to normal-- then pull the RPM's to about 3000 and hold it fot a minute--Then let off and goose it fairly hard-- if it smokes and then goes away replace your seals.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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thanks I will try it and see if that happens, if it is the seals are the valves going to be ok to reuse?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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thanks I will try it and see if that happens, if it is the seals are the valves going to be ok to reuse?
Yes and get rid of the teflon seals and go back to factory style if you don't have a clearance issue with cam lift.(the PC type seals don't let enough lube get to the stems and wears out the guides)Ya should have a mist of oil for stem lube and thats not enough to smoke.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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the only reason for the teflon seals is they said the stock one's would not fit ( I have crane 10308 double springs) ? what if I cannot use the stock kind , any other kind to get?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 07:11 PM
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the only reason for the teflon seals is they said the stock one's would not fit ( I have crane 10308 double springs) ? what if I cannot use the stock kind , any other kind to get?
Not knowing what is on there,it's hard to say.Several companies make seals that will work.Call Crane and see what they recommend.If nothing else see if the early model umbrella type seals would fit.
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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is it possible to have good compression , and maybe the oil rings letting some oil get by, enough to smoke sometimes?
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is it possible to have good compression , and maybe the oil rings letting some oil get by, enough to smoke sometimes?

It's possible to be using oil and have good compression on a test.(oil in cyl's boosts the reading).Your problem sounds like valve seals.

My post from above.



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