That's the most obsurd thing I've ever heard. Have you ever closely followed any form of auto racing? As important as it obviously is for drag racing, just imagine racing where you need to turn and use your brakes--and the extra "man thing" under your gas pedal does nothing to overcome the weight while you're doing it.

Ever wonder why pretty much any sactioned racing class for any sort of car has weight minimums--and enforces them? Because if they didn't, the determined (and fastest) racers would be under them.

I guess they're just all [Arnold]Girliemen![/Arnold]

 

This discussion could go on forever, simply because everyones theory on what makes a true street car will be slightly (or majorly) different. To me this car is not a true street car. In my opinion a true street car should be comfortable (yet another objective term) and capable of being your only vehicle. In my opinion, once a car can no longer be used as a daily driver or becomes uncomfortable to drive on a daily basis then it is no longer a true street car. However, there is no denying that 9.anything in a NA LT1 is absolutely awesome , and besides, like someone above allready mentioned, wether or not this car is a true street car was not really the issue anyway.

 

Being as how you are the expert on running single digits in the 1/4 mile with a NA street car, could you please post up your sub ten second slips for us to gander at

 

I thought even from day one the concept behind a muscle car was a large V8 in a mid sized (lighter) car to improve acceleration.

If you want a 1000 hp brick buy a Duromax and mod it.

 

Easy kids, can't we just play nice and stop acting like teenage girls?

 

Nice to see there are some level heads in here that know what it takes to have a fast car.

 

Lots and lots of money.

Or a gutted (And useless as a street car) vehicle.

That is pretty impressive though a 9-Second LT1 with only 450RWHP.

 

Not really as much money as most think if you do it right and do alot of your own work.

funny...the car in question sure doesn't look stripped to me. And for those bumper supports...have ya'll seen them. Anyone that thinks that 5 mph crash bumper supports is gonna help you in a bad wreck is mistaken. They are mostly plastic or styrofoam. Oh well...that car is street driven and its good enough for me. Its much Safer than my stock 67 camaro sitting in my driveway.

Later guys...

Tim <-- Owns a fast streetABLE car.

 

I would have expected alot more torque out of a 396.

Seems to run very well though.

 

There is something wrong with the HP figures,cause 2980+driver ain't light.
Pull all the plastic off of the inside and ya will see where it was lightened.

 

This is a video from the LS!-tech race held at SAR in Nov 2005

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...22LS1-Tech.com

you will see bens car in action:
1:20 Right Lane
8:21 Left Lane
9:43 Left Lane
11:20 Right Lane

you will also find
The Ohio Boys 8 sec turbo LS1
Feredey's 8 sec Turbo Z28
Pain 8 sec Nitrous Formula
Sen Freese's 8 sec nitrous Z28

and myself
2:00 Right Lane

 

Its still alot of money.

What do you have into your car now?

Most of hte people on here do their own work, but parts arent cheap.

It's hard to build a streetable and reliable car.

And that car has ALOT of weight reduction.

As for the bumber supports, mine were off when I got the car since its totaled. When I put it together, I put them back on for the simple fact that they help protect other things ... If someone smacks the front of my car, hitting plastic with rubber behind it, and then metal behind that is better than Soft plastic with a void behind it and some thin metal.

The 35lbs you loose just is not worth it. Or whatever they weigh. THey werent all that heavy though.

 

9 seconds even bottom 10s in a NA LT1 car with 23* heads is impressive in my book. It takes commitment.

Steve

 

I think the guy did a great job. It's cool he didn't bail on the LT1 for the LS1.

You gotta get the mag for the pretty pictures if nothing else.

 

I have less than 5 in the entire forged motor..throttle body to oil pan. Buying smart is the way to do it. I have less than 4500 in the rest of the car including 9" rear end and all other parts surounding the motor. I look for deals and dont have the "have to have the newest thing out right now" attitude. I also buy used on parts that don't wear out or have high stress loads. I will agree with you on one thing. For record setting Cars like Bens car...streetability and reliableability are both compromised. Cars like his are not daily drivers..they are very very well though out fast streetable cars(note the word streetable ..not street legal..or daily driver..or trip car. Its able to be driven on the street on the weekend for a play toy). Fast cars break things...its part of the game. Any weight we can pull out of these cars lessens the stress on parts...hence helps not break things. Bens stated 2980 lbs is not race weight..add 200 and you are still 3180 lbs. Granted that is light but its by no means lighter than some of the cars out there. I've seen ls1 cars with race weights below 2900 lbs with driver.

People set goals and they may not be everyones goals. Its no reason to downplay or negate what is accomplished just because it may not be your personal goal. If someone is happy with their 3600+ low 12 heads/cam car more power too them. But also respect the time and effort it takes to build a 9 sec. lt1 NA car. Cars like Ben are on the cutting edge that most people won't go to the extreme to accomplish. It takes thinking out of the box and persistance...each of which most people either can't do or won't dedicate themselfs to doing it. I've always said...if you want to run with the crowd..do what everyone else is doing..if you want to beat the crowd you have to put some thought behind it.