EvlViln,

Its your right to state your opinion. And you did that. We understand you dont like Mail order tuning or Bryan Herter, so stop beating a dead horse.

We ALL know that it is preferable to tune the car yourself in person, not mail order. It is common sense. But some people do not have the time or patiece to learn to tune a car and would rather have someone else do it for them, even though it might not be the best it could be.

Since you want to be childish and rant about someone/something but then use the "but i dont need to explain myself" and "im not going to go into it" excuses, then please by all means, stop talking.

 

Why don't I see this thread continuing for much longer if it goes on like this......

 

 

kmook,

I make you only this promise:
This will be my last post on this thread.


But I must retort.

1) I only reply (with this exception) when a question has been asked!

2) First & Foremost, It is not common knowledge. It might be for you and the circles you travel in, but not everyone is as all knowing as you.

3)I have already handled this:4)So You say This: And then you say: I am not saying Bryan is a Bad person. I am not even saying that he is out to scew people. My comments (If you hadnt been so busy trying to discount them, you might have actually caught the real message, It gues it too was "Common Sence") we geared toward education. I called him no names, or made any specific comments as to his charater outside of tuning. I dont believe he does a through job. And I believe that if people spent the time to learn it (and it sure is funny how many people can afford 4K superchargers, Built Motors or hell, the Hot Cam Kits arent free, but no one can hop on ebay, buy a $400 laptop, $100 in software, and a $75 cable. I see your point, way too much money! All this to tune a car!) then they would understand. But once again, I am not mandating that everyone take my advice. I am giving my opinion. And if that opinion is different than yours, SO BE IT! You either Know or You Dont Care.

I sure hope you get use to the fact that there are people out there that will speak up when they see something that they dont agree with. And I have, and will say, what I want when I want.
Welcome to the United States of America. where even people like you who would rather people with objective points of view (and I Quote) can say what you want when you want.

Anger is Weak! Be Strong!

But I am sure you will have another witty comment meant to try to shut me up, so now i will just give you what you really want.

 

EvilViln

First let me thank you for you responses to my exhaust questions.

Now on to the issue at hand.

First off, you pay Bryan to tune my car, not be your mechanic. Your plug wire story is invalid because that is your friends problem, period.

I politely PM'd you the other day when i saw the thread referenced earlier where you said you didn't want to get into details. I also emailed you and got a returned error message. I was attempting to contact you to find out the details of the sneeky and wrong things performed by bryan. I was genuinely concerned for my car when i read that because i thought maybe something was going to go wrong with my car.

Since you can't respond with details supporting any of your claims I am now going to in your words "flame you".

I agree that there is no substitute for a completely custom program for your car put together with the best efforts of the owner. Bottom line though is that i chose to spend 50 bucks and 1 hour total to get a program for my car and ended up with impressive dyno numbers by other peoples standards and no ill effects. LT1 Edit would have cost me 150 dollars for the standard or 200 dollars for the expert which i'm sure i would have gotten if i was going to spend all that dough. Next i'd need a cable, 70 to assemble it myself or 95 dollars for a fabricated one. So we are looking at 220 minimum, but more likely 295 dollars plus a good number of hours to load, learn to use, and modify with the new software. I spent 50 bucks (tuned in person) where as the avg user would spend 170 for the unlimited updates and save many many hours and get tuning from someone with a lot more experience.

Also, your saying of "there is a right way and a wrong way" is a gross simplification. Look at porsches and ferrari's. Look at the diversity in the automarket. Top of the line Porsches and ferrari's can both whoop up on us with drasticly different designs. Look at the guys running power adders, nitro, turbo, SC, can you please tell me which one is right?

I no longer worry about your negative comments. I've seen an estimated 99% positive feedback rate for bryan whereas for other tuner like ed wright it's more like 50/50. You Fireman, and firepheasant are the only negative comments i've ever heard. It sounds like fireman maybe caught bryan at a busy time, but who knows i wasn't at all involved with that. I try to do all my own mechanical work, other pay to have it done, same thing with tuning. Everyones different and has their own priorities and levels of involvment that they are comfortable with. Sometimes investing a lot of time into doing something yourself just isn't worth it.

Now please stop flaming Bryan unless you can back up your claims.

 

 

I am fine with you and everyone saying what they want, but when you see something that you dont agree with and bad mouth a person and their livelyhood and not explain why or back it up with anything, thats what I and others have a problem with.

Just explain your reasons for badmouthing a person/company, thats not much to ask. Thanks!

 

I don't typically get involved in these sorts of brewing flame wars, but here are my observations...

Tuning your car at home isn't just a matter of buying stuff...hell I have a laptop and a cable, and I could go out and buy LT1Edit right now, but I realize I do not really have the time to learn how to do it properly. The experience and knowledge is what your getting when you have a professional tune it. If it was that easy, guys like Ed Wright wouldn't be able to charge so much for tuning.

BTW the reason you get so much static on this subject is because your seriously in the minority in not liking Bryan. People like him here because hes done a good job for a lot of people in helping them out. Folks on cz28.com are pretty finicky on their vendors, and if they don't have a pretty high "happiness" rating, they tend to get dumped on very quickly. Those vendors who DO come through with their promises tend to be vigorously protected as well (as they should be).

 

I think our point is across

 

I think that there is another issue to consider regarding this whole tuning debate here...

My understanding is that periodically when loading a tune to the PCM, the PCM can be messed up. Something happens and it fries the PCM.

If you are tuning at home, and don't have a backup PCM (as a first timer probably wouldn't), and this happens... You're out a car until you can get another PCM.

If you get a mail order tune, that tuner is taking that risk and when you receive your replacement PCM, you can be assured that it wasn't damaged by the tune. The risk of a fried PCM shifts from you, to them.

Plus it was mentioned that you can buy a $100 program and a $75 cable... Well, for some of us that price is much higher. In my case, the cost to purchase the software and cable for my car is $550. If I'm interested in basic bolt-ons, a mild head/cam package, etc... I won't need anywhere $550 in tuning work via mail order.

It's interesting that the only mail order tuner I see mentioned in this thread was Brian @ PCMFORLESS, PLUS that's the only mail order tuner that EvlViln ever mentions (as far as I have read).

So, lemme figure this up... I can purchase the first tune from Brian for $175 (with free retunes for 30-60 days), go to the dyno, autotap and Wideband o2 the car, send the logs back to Brian to let him adjust the tune. I can do this as needed for 30-60 days. Then after that it's just $50 a pop for retunes. So, not counting the freight charges, how many tunes can I get from Brian for that $550? Well, 9 tunes turns out to run $575. 9 tunes... That's a bunch....And I'm not even considering the $400 laptop on ebay you mentioned (that's another 8 tunes).

All things considered, tuning it yourself IS better, BUT if you don't have the time or the money up front for the hardware/software combo, mail order tuning is VERY VIABLE!

 

Bryan Herter is an excellent and very workable man.

I fried my PCM (that he tuned a year before), bought another one, and called him to see if he wanted my bad PCM to play around with or blow up or target practice or whatever. After I told him what was going on, he told me to send him my PCM I bought and he'd tune it for free, and he even paid the return shipping!!



LWillmann: Good points!

 

Bryan was or is in Dallas?
I read the first post which had the 28th on it but also mentioned Friday, however today is Thursday. I need to hook up if he's here this weekend.

 

I have had Bryan at pcmforless send me my tuning files by email. No problems at all. He sent me 2 files for my hotcam one with 3.73 gears one without, because gears are going in after hotcam. No problems at all, i even called him on the phone with a question, he was polite and very knowledgeable. Great guy, i recommend him!!

 

Bryan was in Dallas, I was just lucky enough to catch him before he got here and gave me the number to contact him to set it up. He is a good guy to deal with!


-Mike