You question the quality of Pacesetter LTs because they are under 300.00 on ebay. You are probably looking at non-ceramic coated headers which go for that amount. Add the coating and they are about 430.00. The quality of them is very good.

 

I would have to agree with the other guy before me. I think you guys are jumping to much of a conclusion on shorties. Its a bottleneck situation with stock manifolds to a good cat-back.
When i had a hypertech, I made 255rwhp and 325rwtq. Imagine with some dynotuning via LT1edit, BBK shorties and 3.73's. Wow.
I've known LT's are the way to go but it aint worth for a car that is not going to see no heads, cam, etc.
LT's will be great for topend with that EXTRA flow but shorties will provide the all around flow for a stock motor, helping the motor really breathe.
But I am going to do the 1.6's at the same time as the headers. Ill stick with the stock coil, and then decide on the wires, factory should be fine as well.
Daniel
94Z28 A4

 

I know from the B&D body world that we had the same problems with the MSD coils. The 94-5 guys were upgrading to the factory GM 96 coils. Seems the later model coils had more oomph. I think they put out more volts than the MSD's (Might Suddenly Die ), IIRC. Dal could hook you up (nice to see he helps you guys out too! ) I think you also need to change the connector that plugs into the coil. It may be a worthwhile upgrade. I apologize if it doesn't apply to the F-cars. Lemme look for a link...

Here ya go. 96 coil swap how to...

As far as wires, I've had good luck with the Taylor's. Plus they're cheap from summit, like 40 or 50 bucks. I run NGK TR55 plugs too. They are non platinum, but they are better for performance that way. But that means you have to change them every 15K miles or so... With the crappy plug access on these cars though, I may go back to the factory Delco platinums or even the Bosch (original) platinums....

As for the 1.6's, I've used both the 1.5's and 1.6's made by Proform. They are aluminum bodied full rollers and are very cheap at $169 at both Summit and Jegs. I put 15K miles on my 1.5's with no issues and had 1500 miles on the 1.6's (with Comp 305 & LT4 springs) and they were fine til I sold the car. I plan to add the 1.6's to my Z once I get it running well. Just make sure you get the self aligning ones.

Headers... Like I said in the other thread, I really don't want to run LT's for the same reasons as you. I'm not ever going to do heads/cam (yeah, right, I've said that before) so I don't think I need the LT's. Instead of the BBK's or MAC's, how about Pacesetters? Their ceramic coated shorty's with a Y are $389 from Summit... Just a thought. Anyone have any feedback on these? Also, for bolts, go with ARP's new stainless header bolts with a 5/16" head. Much better bolt access than a 3/8" head!

HTH! (and thanks for pointing me to this thread)

 

The Pacesetter shorties are not smog legal (in CA, with a CARB #) I dont think. They do come with the Y but I will look into them.
For the money, BBK's are great, under $400, with a Y, CARB # and chromed which means they will last longer.
I will definitely look into the 96 coil.
Pacesetter or for that matter any other companies that offer headers, dont offer the CARB # for CA. Thats my BIGGEST issue.
So far, Pacesetter has not given me a smog reason to get their stuff.
Daniel
94 Z28 A4

 

For arguments sake I will agree that in some instances shorty headers may have made 20RWHP more than stock manifolds, but i bet that sure as hell wasn't on a virtually bone stock car. Now, i wasn't pushing him to run LT's...however I was making a poorly worded statement that is not necessarily everybody's opinion on shorty headers. Maybe you missed that in the way I said a blind statement, just as it was said about Pacesetter LT's. My point was trying to show the thread starter basically not to take one persons advice, because he seems to have had his mind made up when he posted, and doesn't really wanna take advice given. Anyways, if I was a bit to sarcastic that it wasn't real apparent in the previous post I can edit it. Do some searches and see some results and/or other peoples opinions before you make you final decision, you may be glad you did. For the plug wires, I do like the MSD's alot as far as quality, and I personally have never had any problems with them. Currently I am running the OVTC Taylor wires, with great results.

 

I wouldn't run the Pacesetter shorties/midlenghts..whatever they call them....I have read alot of very negative reviews of them as well.

 

Hey Guys, I never meant to insult anyone on here. I did not have my mind made up if thats what it sounded like. Im here to get advice, suggestions and learn.

At least someone else on this thread said that they have heard that Pacesetters are not good either. I used to be in the mustang world and pacesetters were ok they, not top notch.
I dont believe any other state has emissions laws like CA. They are ruthless here which is understandable but at the same time bs.

I can definitely see you guys (most of you) vouch for Pacesetters shorties and LTs.

I have a buddy in a 5.0 fox buddy running BBK's. He got pulled and as* raped by the cops taking advantage. The po's were so upset when they "saw" the carb #'s. He has learned to question cops since then. His car makes ok power for stock. The headers gave him a few mph in the 1/4.

Any opinions on Accel or Taylor wires, 8mm on Ebay? they're priced reasonably. Ima do stock coil for sure.

By the way, do headers (of any kind) go in from top or bottom or does that depend on which side and what trans someone has?
I do appreciate all suggestions and advice. Ive learned a lot.
By the way, where can one find 1.6's in Summit for $169? I cant.

Daniel

 

What is ebay asking for the wires. Summit is usually very reasonable on Taylors as well.
I think it depends on the style of headers (shorty,mid,LT) that determines where it goes in at. With my LTs, the drivers side went in through the bottom and the passenger side from the top.
The 1.6 ratio rockers are most likely non-roller and probably not the best option as compared to some of the other things the market has to offer.

 

Summit has them for $179 now. Musta gone up a little since I bought them. PN PRO-66915.

And sorry, didn't realize the Pacesetter shorties weren't CARB legal.

 

Ill look into that part num for the 1.6's. Ebay has great deals to.
I found some Pacesetter shorties, ceramic coated, with a Y, AND a CARB # for about $400 with hardware.
A lot of people on here use Pacesetters. Its definitely a consideration especially when the dealer offers and authorizes a 3 yr warranty. Now does a 3 yr warranty mean its crap (the product) because very rarely are aftermarket performance products warrantied?
So Im torn between BBK shorties and Pacesetters. Definitely pros & cons for each.
BBK's dont offer warranties I dont think.

By the way, how does the install go, bottom or top, etc?

Daniel

 

Sorry I missed the other thread reply.

I guess Ill figure out the install with the shorties.

I originally bought the 1.6's off ebay and had to give them to a friend (long story), he wasn't even grateful about it. Anyway, they work fine and he has not had any problems, although his clutch, opti, and suspension are going out and he needs a "better" tune on his 383 AFR LT1. Hhahaha, Karma is a bitch.

...funny, although someone earlier said I asked advice with my mind made up already, I may end up going with Pacesetter shorties. Go figure.

Daniel

 

BBK and Pacesetter shorties are known for quality, plug and fitment issues. Usually the shorties/mids that are really liked are Mac's, SLP's, AS&M's, and Hookers.

 

This is very true. This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Although not totally familiar with all shorty/mid lengths offered for the 4th gens, I have installed the SLP's on one car. I didn't care alot for them but the quality was good, plug access was not the best if i remember correctly. Not sure which ones are 50 state legal and which aren't, but the Mac's seem to be the favorite around here.

 

I have looked into the Mac's shorties. They are not carb legal. SLP's and others maybe, but they are super expensive.

You know from what plug access is now with stock manifolds, any other header cannot be worse; it may still not be fun but not worse.

If an exhaust manifold gasket breaks, can one simply unbolt the header-which would still be attached to the Y, pull it back slightly, and slip in a new gasket?

My bad gasket is the reason for this thread. Just repair the gasket, if its easy, or if everything must come out-upgrade??

Daniel

 

The Pacesetter shorties/mid-lengths, are actually considered a mid-length. If u take a look at some of the actual "shorty" type headers that some company's offer and compare them to the Pacesetter's, then u can clearly see what I am talking about. I have the Pacesetter mid-lengths and they are good for the price. The plug access isnt really the greatest on them but it is do-able. I say if u can get the Pacesetter mids with a carb number then go for it. I dont think your going to find a better header for the price. Peace, Dustin.