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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 04:42 PM
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Question Turbo, SuperCharger, or Heads & Cam ???

I was wanting some input for the best route to get my 2002 Camaro Z28 M6 up to about 450-500 HP. This is my baby and my daily driver as well so it will be 99% street driven as there isn't really a good track around where I live. I don't want to have to rebuild the engine, would like to leave the bottom end stock for $$ reasons. I've been considering either a Turbo kit, a Procharger Kit or just getting a good Head/Cam kit. Any opinions/suggestions will be greatly appreciated

I have a K&N FIPK on it as well as a Corsa Cat back. Also I believe the car was tuned with a Hypertech. In the future I'd like to at least put headers and Y-pipe on it as well to finish out the exhaust.

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 04:55 PM
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I personally would go the extra step and go Procharger. Kid in town has it on his 98 Ws6 and it is WICKED. He still gets the great 6 speed gas milage and has PLENTY of power. 450-500? Maybe, but i know he will be there when he gets his Long tubes and Ypipe. Although prochargers are 4 grand... heads and cam is alot cheaper... But u might lose gas milage depending on how radical u are gonna go.

Also consider nitrious, its is the best hp gain for the buck
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 06:04 PM
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My vote would be heads and cams.

Or for more money, a stroker package that includes ported heads and choice of cam.

Personally, I just don't like the idea of foreced induction on our engines, unless its built with FI in mind..
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 08:06 PM
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head cam... then after a while, pro charger 8']


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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 08:29 PM
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why would you want to do h/c before doing a s/c? IMO that is just dumb, unless you get a h/c combo made for a s/c. why would you spend $$$ on a h/c combo that is going to make a lot of n/a hp. it just wouldn't work as good with a s/c. not saying it won't work at all, but you would probably be wishing you got a h/c combo made with a s/c in mind.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 08:30 PM
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Heads, cam, and bottle.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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If you go supercharged or turbo be prepared for a rebuild. I was looking into FI for awhile and found many had to rebuild due to early failure. But maybe they're the only ones posting too. Just don't think becuse you don't go crazy with the boost your engine will be as good as if it were stock. And yes I know some have run for years without a problem, I'm just saying don't be suprized if it goes early with FI. Anyway you go a good tune is important.

Personal choice would be build the motor for boost and go turbo. Turbo will cost more than a supercharer, but a turbo will build more boost down low and has more all out potential. I can't afford it now so I'm just going boltons and a cam until I can.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by 99BlackZ28T56
If you go supercharged or turbo be prepared for a rebuild. I was looking into FI for awhile and found many had to rebuild due to early failure. But maybe they're the only ones posting too. Just don't think becuse you don't go crazy with the boost your engine will be as good as if it were stock. And yes I know some have run for years without a problem, I'm just saying don't be suprized if it goes early with FI. Anyway you go a good tune is important.

Personal choice would be build the motor for boost and go turbo. Turbo will cost more than a supercharer, but a turbo will build more boost down low and has more all out potential. I can't afford it now so I'm just going boltons and a cam until I can.
yea that is what i would do too. the way i see it, why waste money on 2 sets of heads. when you can just go by with out some for a while and then only need to spend half the cash.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:37 PM
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heads and cam is more cost efficent but your gas mileage is prolly going to go down depending on how big of a cam u get and how wild you go with heads
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:54 PM
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why would you get a blower with a stock motor??????????good luck buddy, get ready to get a new motor, oh, i forgot, and a..... new rearend.
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 12:03 AM
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Id go w/ a nice heads and cam, save you alot of possible bs that comes along w/ FI
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by mr_muff
why would you want to do h/c before doing a s/c? IMO that is just dumb, unless you get a h/c combo made for a s/c. why would you spend $$$ on a h/c combo that is going to make a lot of n/a hp. it just wouldn't work as good with a s/c. not saying it won't work at all, but you would probably be wishing you got a h/c combo made with a s/c in mind.
yea i thought about that too, didnt wanna get to "involved".... but yea, if you are rly gonna do both, yea... keep it in mind,....
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 12:41 AM
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why would you get a blower with a stock motor??????????good luck buddy, get ready to get a new motor, oh, i forgot, and a..... new rearend.
most h/c combos make the same rwhp as a s/c. so why would the h/c not need a new rearend?
it is pretty much fine on the bottom end, to run a s/c if you don't jack the boost up a lot
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 02:56 AM
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you want 450-500 horsepower on a daily driver?

well...if you go H/C, you're going to HAVE to go pretty extreme to put that type of power to the ground. unless you're talking flywheel...then not so extreme.

but if you are talking 450-500 RWHP, a H/C setup is most likely gonna be relatively far from daily driven friendly. you're prolly gonna have a lot of chop, and be quite loud - possibly to annoyance if you drive it everyday.

if you go FI...to get to 450-500 RWHP, you're prolly gonna run a good amount of boost with either a SC or a turbo, and if you want your daily driver to be more reliable, it'd prolly be a good idea to invest in a cam and a set of heads to accomodate your FI so as to possibly run at a lower boost that would cause less strain on your SC or turbo.

either way...you better not dump the clutch with sticky tires or you can say bye bye to your rear end.

i have a feeling that for the hp you might be wanting to put to the ground...you're gonna be investing more money than you might think. i'd suggest researching some more, and possibly, especially for a daily driver, thinking about a slightly lower HP goal.

and yes, with FI or H/C...to push 450-500 RWHP you're most likely going to have to maintain your setup to some extent, because parts are gonna wear just a little faster than your stock car.


...and lastly...i wouldn't want 450 rwhp in my daily driver when i get caught in the rain....pulling out into traffic is already a pain in the a** in the rain for me...
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lucas Black
you want 450-500 horsepower on a daily driver?

well...if you go H/C, you're going to HAVE to go pretty extreme to put that type of power to the ground. unless you're talking flywheel...then not so extreme.

but if you are talking 450-500 RWHP, a H/C setup is most likely gonna be relatively far from daily driven friendly. you're prolly gonna have a lot of chop, and be quite loud - possibly to annoyance if you drive it everyday.

if you go FI...to get to 450-500 RWHP, you're prolly gonna run a good amount of boost with either a SC or a turbo, and if you want your daily driver to be more reliable, it'd prolly be a good idea to invest in a cam and a set of heads to accomodate your FI so as to possibly run at a lower boost that would cause less strain on your SC or turbo.

either way...you better not dump the clutch with sticky tires or you can say bye bye to your rear end.

i have a feeling that for the hp you might be wanting to put to the ground...you're gonna be investing more money than you might think. i'd suggest researching some more, and possibly, especially for a daily driver, thinking about a slightly lower HP goal.

and yes, with FI or H/C...to push 450-500 RWHP you're most likely going to have to maintain your setup to some extent, because parts are gonna wear just a little faster than your stock car.


...and lastly...i wouldn't want 450 rwhp in my daily driver when i get caught in the rain....pulling out into traffic is already a pain in the a** in the rain for me...
Yeah well maybe my goals were a bit too high What would be a more realistic goal to have a kick a$$ Z28 that will spank any Rice, Mustang Cobra and maybe the occasional Corvette out there???
Where should my goals be more realistically then??

It's not a track car so it needs to be streetable as it is my daily driver. I've learned about keeping a soft right foot in the rain or just keeping the bloody thing off the road LOL.

I don't like the Idea of Nitrous because it seems like you have to prep it and all and I want more of a continous power not just squirts out of a bottle. I've also heard that Nitrous will wear out your cylinder walls. I could be wrong about that.
Also thanks to all who have posted



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