They're only stupid because they prove your point to be incorrect and you have nothing to back up your arguements. Just like on the thread about shocks. The only thing you had was "I've owned 4 cars with decarbons." I've owned many cars with AC, but I'm no AC guru.

 

Well so far SS's have proven to be faster huh?

And on the shocks what the hell do you know?

I'll tell you, Nothing!

 

How has it been proven faster ?

 

To be fair the the SS/WS6 crowd... some of the models DID have lids & decent exhaust factory installed. These are the 345hp versions and they will be a tenth or two quicker due mostly to the lid.

But for the most part, Trans Ams/z28s will run identically to WS6/SS cars.

 

Well so far all of the cars that are in the lower 13's to high 12's are SS's or WS6's/Firehawk's.

Didn't all 98-02 Firehawks have the SLP/Blackwing lid?

 

It seems they're all running the same times stock, just that SS/WS6's will trap a little higher speed due to the additional power. Because of the aforementioned wheel/tire/suspension combo though, in bone-stock form, SS's can't put the power to the ground the same as a Z or T/A off the line.....but maybe that's just IMO?!

 

Your idea of a performance shock is that its stiff and that was it while I gave you valving rates....you think a stiffer suspension and shorter sidewalled tires are better for drag racing and have no concept of tire shock or sidewall flex....and you think I know nothing?

Check Psycocabbage's time. Looks like a really low 13 to me...in a totally stock "lowly" (apparently in your opinion) Z28

He's also right about the wheels. Z28 painted 17 lbs, 245/50-16 tires 24.5 lbs each for a total of 166 lbs of rolling mass. SS ZR1 painted is 19 lbs and the 10 spoke painted is 22 lbs, 275/40-17 tires are over 30lbs each, thats 196 - 208 lbs. There is your 30 lb difference just with the rolling stock.

Once again I give data. Where is yours?

 

is this argument valid for 97 ss/ws6 vs t/a's and formulas and z's/! :P

and i also hate those who say oh yeah i have a exhaust, intake blah blah and it's stock. no it really isn't, anything that didn't come from the factory is not stock. but if you have a car that comes fromt he factory w/ a supercharger or turbo, it's still stock

 

But I guess if an SS comes "stock" with a different lid, than a Z28 with JUST a lid could be considered "equal" to a stock SS? What about the cat-back exhaust?

Sooo, with that in mind, then it's funny that even a 100% bone-stock Z28 can run the same or better than an SS in many cases!

 

Hey greed4speed, go back and read that post on shocks I allready talked about valving. And sidwall height is something I didn't bring up because I thought everyone here allready knew that. Duh!

 

LOL the only reason magazines publish SS/WS6 cars instead of Z28/trans-am cars is because they're usually comparing them to cobras, or Ford's top-of-the-line mustangs. In order to keep prices/trim options comparable, they use SS/WS6 cars.

I've yet to see a stock SS/ws6 car that was faster than a stock z28/trans am.

Faster above 100 mph? Sure, the ram air actually starts to work right around then.

Faster in the 1/4? nah.

There are thousands and thousands of "plain old" z28's and trans-ams hitting low 13's, and of course the select few in the high 12's. In fact, low 13s on the LS1 fbody is more the rule than the exception, regardless of whether it's the SS/WS6/Firehawk/z28/Trans-am

My personal best was 13.08 bone stock on a mid 90* day my 1st time at the track. 12's were definitely possible stock with the right conditions, but I modded before I ever found out.

 

what would be a4 97 formula run stock at the track around?

 

Duh!??? I see I'm adressing a great intellect here.

I give you exhibit a:

Your points: Stiffer suspsion = better for drags and the tires grip better and the wheels weigh the same. You were dead wrong on all points here. Ya, you REALLY knew what you were talking about.

Your discussion on valving with your concept of a performance shock:

This first part is true. 2nd is vague.

My discussion on valving and shocks:

Note the specific data I give compared to your broad statements. Your answers are like a politicians, very broad so you can spin them in many ways, or you just make claims like they're facts.
Keep trying to weezle out of it.

 

I would say no in this case. IIRC, the SS/FH came with the SLP 2OTL catback which was 3" and the Z/Form had 2.5" exhaust. Unlike the LS1 cars the LT1 cars had different intake setups. The SS/FH had a functional CAI w/a less restricted path where as the Z/Form actually had a more restrictive intake path and IIRC breathed from the engine bay.

Then you also had the LT4 models available in the SS/FH models only. That would be the equivalent of comapring an LS1 Z to an SS w/LS6.

 

Greed4speed you are my hero.

Now go find someone who cares. You aren't really saying anything anyway.