even if you got 10rwhp out of it... which you don't...


you wouldn't be able to "feel it" the way you guys are talking about...


s'in your heads guys

 

I'm not saying I got "10 RWHP" but I definatly DID FEEL an increase...

 

No.. the lid did net me a solid 8-10 rwhp..
What I did also find was that the MTI LID($125 new) vs the Stealth LID($225 new)
performed the same.
So, the extra cost would be a waste.
If I were to run a lid, I would just get the cheapest one I could find (perhaps off a board member or ebay) then install it and be happy.. If you have a car with the AIR hose needing a small 1" filter, the local autozone always has them for $10.

 

tornado is useless. the air just gets straightened back out when passing through the carb/throttle body

 

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...hlight=tornado

 

We know you did'nt say you got 10 hp. But in reality if you gain 10hp in any way it is such a small difference that you cant feel the difference by the seat of the pants. I've read sevral times that on average, a car needs to gain close to 30hp to be able to accually feel a difference.

The thing of stock filter vs K&N on LS1's is that most LS1 owners do the free ram air mod which improves airflow to the airbox greatly but it picks up alot more dirt in the filter.And a filter only flows its best when its 100% clean. A stock filter will only flow well when its brand new and with the FRA it will only be like new for a very short time.So with a stock filter you'll have to buy a new one every couple of months.
I have'nt done the FRA mod yet to my car. I'll be doing it when I install my pacesetter LT's and Spec st3 clutch very soon. But I'll buy a K&N when I do the mod so I can just clean it on a regular basis.I would of bought the K&N when I bought my MTI lid but I read one of pyscocabbage's posts about this same subject over a year ago.I figured I would wait till I do the FRA mod.

 

30 horsepower until its "feelable"? Sounds a bit much....

 

i don't think so...


i did slp lid, filter, smooth bellows, cut all the rain baffles out of my hood, and did the FRA lower airbox thing... (to an extreme taken beyond normal) and i can't honestly say i "felt" anything...


only time i maybe felt something different... was when i removed my entire exhaust... which was prob good for 20 hp... and was A ****LOUD louder... and i think the sound had more to do with that than anything... cause when i put my exhaust on... drag times stayed pretty much the same... but it FELT a ****load slower... cause it was quiet

 

Thats what I've read from different publications. Did you you know that on average ,10 hp means aboout 1 tenth in the quater on the average street car? And a tenth of a second is about a carlenth differnce. So if a car picks up 10hp it will only gain around a tenth of a second or 1 car lenth in quater mile whichever way you want to look at it.A tenth or a carlenth is'nt much of a difference at all.So you telling me you can feel a carlenth difference?WOW, I could'nt feel a diffence in power when I installed my lid and borla catback run open. I noticed it sounded better though.

 

a lot depends on how much power you are starting with. 10hp will be much more noticable on a 250hp engine compared to a 500hp engine and so on...

 

thats why i said on a average street car.

 

K&N flat-panel filters are garbage and I have dyno proof similar to Psychocab's. However, the conical K&Ns seem to actually work. I also noticed sand was getting all the way up to my MAF with the K&N even after it was freshly washed/oiled. I am back to using Fram paper air filters.