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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 12:53 PM
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Heel and Toe and Double Clutching

Can someone go into detail on how and when to execute the heel and toe and the advantages of doing so?

I know what double clutching is, but is it necessary on an ls1? Some peeps on agree and disagree with it, but I've seen the term come up a lot after the movie Fast and the Furious.
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 01:17 PM
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I've searched around and found a perfect article on heel and toe.

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/how...2/article.html
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 01:37 PM
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It does nothing in a straight line.. may help on a road race course or auto cross race to match rpm for the gear
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 01:54 PM
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As the article states, heel and toe is not a necessity in everyday driving. It's just a technique used for quicker lap times in a racing situation. As for whether or not double-clutching is necessary in an LS1, i'd say that it's not, but it may be a good habit to get into. I do it all the time when slowing down for a turn, or curve. Just makes the accelaration out of the turn that much smoother.

Or I could try and be like Vin Diesel and do it while running the 1/4 mile..but i'm not that cool
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 07:27 PM
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Heel and toe is also easier on the transmission if done properly. I do it all the time on the street for practice. Double clutching has no place with our cars.
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 08:15 PM
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i swear to god if i hear someone else use that term from fast and the furious again i will scream. i know so many kids that know nothing about cars think that double clutching will make the car go faster. in a drag race there is only 1 way to shift the car quickly, hold the throttle to the floor 100% time, jab the clutch and pull/push the shifter as fast as possible, ideally timing the clutch pedal on the floor when your arm is moving the shifter. no other way is quicker unless you have an auto. i also like those imports on that movie running 10 sec 1/4 miles at 160 mph on the street, with street tires, yeah thats realistic!. what a stupid movie.
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 11:02 PM
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phil1001: well said
Old Nov 19, 2002 | 11:03 PM
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I never double clutched other than to get into reverse.

Heel/toe I do everyday, although not necessary, I like to keep my practice. I roadrace and heel/toe is absolutely necessary to prevent the rear tires from loosing traction coming into a corner at very high speeds.
Old Nov 23, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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I am also SICK of hearing about double clutching and the like, I just got an A4 and let it double clutch for me! I also love the ricers who rag on my slow auto, but I love the looks on their faces after they witness me walk them repeatedly!
Old Nov 23, 2002 | 04:16 PM
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I both rev-match and double-clutch on any big WOT downshift(two or more gears) I do in my Z. It is good for the synchro's(shifter slips right in), easier on the drivetrain(transmission), and the car is very smooth(not jerky) when I floor it. Is it completely necessary? Probably not. But can it help? Most definitely IMHO. And after some practice, rev-matching and double clutching has become very easy to do(like second-nature to me).

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Old Nov 23, 2002 | 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by phil1001
in a drag race there is only 1 way to shift the car quickly, hold the throttle to the floor 100% time, jab the clutch and pull/push the shifter as fast as possible, ideally timing the clutch pedal on the floor when your arm is moving the shifter. no other way is quicker unless you have an auto.
hmmm.. most people I know who race their sticks and who dont care about tearing up their clutch forks or messing up their synchros just use the clutch for the initial launch.. They are sure that they are getting a faster time.. They probably are since they are speed shifting (no clutch use at all.. common on motorcycles)
.. A friend of mine was doing so and soon was having to rework his tranny.. but gosh he must of been a whole .0002 seconds faster than using the clutch.. hehe

In my mind, I dont see any point to risking any damage when you are mid 12's or slower... Why bother..
Old Nov 23, 2002 | 04:46 PM
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Double clutching is usually reserved for those driving big rigs, or anyone with a Ford Ranger peice of **** 5 speed. I see no reason to double clutch the car, maybe for reverse sometimes as it doesn't want to get into gear. When shifting, if you have been used to a manual transmission for a while, you can hit your shifts perfectly every time with no drop in mph, on downshifting, I find it quite easier to (at the same time) move the gear selector into neutral, blip the throttle and plop it into the next gear... no clutch needed.

Now if somebody would just sell their T56 or perhaps trade it for my A4 and maybe $500 that would be heaven.
Old Nov 23, 2002 | 09:36 PM
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i swear to god if i hear someone else use that term from fast and the furious again i will scream.
Hope you realize that when I said it I was joking
Old Nov 23, 2002 | 09:46 PM
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Double clutching in anything that has a synchronized tranny is stupid, unnecessary, and assinine!
Old Nov 23, 2002 | 10:16 PM
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You guys are confusing the hell out of me with the double clutching. What is the real deal with it? Who really really knows? I need to hear from someone who has a lot of experience. Tomorrow I am attending speed trials at Metro Zoo, so maybe I can speak to a veteran and really find out. I will post up what I hear tomorrow.
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