That's odd. Greg told me thay weren't doing them anymore, and I'm a PTK dealer. Hmmm...

-Chris

 

Chris, sent you a PM

 

Even if they did make the headers, they are the only ones.

This is why a supercharger is superior. A turbo has too many unanswered questions! Not enough support. End of argument.

 

Wrong. A turbo is superior, especially for people who are smart enough to do a little research and not have to have a mod handed to them on a platter. Turbos make more power and torque, there are more manufacturers of turbos, so there is actually more support out there, and you have more versitility and potential. End of argument.

-Chris

 

Chris,
I know from a performance standpoint, they are superior. But from a practical one, I don't think they are. Most all the stuff required to put one on the car is custom made, and takes a lot of time to get. There's a reason why PTK stop selling the LT1 kits.

 

Actually, PTK has temporarily stopped selling the kits because they are improving them. You'll see them again soon. The stuff that Vortech builds isn't any more "custom made" than the stuff PTK builds. They just build more of it. Installation is a little easier, and tuning is easier for most tuners, but why bolt anything onto your car is you don't want the max performance? I guess I just can't understand not wanting to make a lot more power because of a couple of extra hours of installation. If cost is an issue I can understand, and if emmisions is an issue I can understand, but not doing a turbo because you're scared of doing a little work? Most of us would agree that's silly.

-Chris

 

AMEN!!! driving the car is only part of the fun in my opinion.. but we have to keep in mind some of us don't think along the same train of thought.

I always liked being down to the wire putting a motor together for a race, or the before hand excitement and research put into a build.. taking on a turbo project on a C4 vette with even fewer setups as a guide to do a build seemed like a challenge to me... then i started building it! lol just the way I work.. if its not challenging or if it doesn't require the gears in your head to turn, it not as fun to build!

Chris

 

supercharger superior to a turbo? LMAO!!

 

Curt, take it easy on them.....lol

Jose

 

Yep, in NHRA Top Fuel, they are....

 

NHRA outlawed turbos...thanks to people like Buddy Ingersoll back in the mid 80's with some car using a V6 and its was a Buick . Also same reason why Formula 1 outlawed turbos in the mid 80's when the 1.5 liter 4 cylinders were making 1400hp, and also why SSO and Pro 5.0, make the turbo guys run small turbos compared to the big blowers and also limit the turbo cars to 360ci vs the blower cars and their 480ci motors ........etc

Jose

 

Can you actually prove that the supercharger is superior though? What grounds for comparison are there? Simply that the top fuelers use big blowers, and nitromethane and run mid 4's in the 1/4 mile? If thats your basis for comparison, I admit you are right.

But take a look at the big picture here. There is a lanslide victory for turbos when you look at them in the the entire scope of competitive racing. Ruling bodies are creating rules to give supercharged and nitrous motored cars a chance against the turbo cars. Larger displacements. Different chassis weights. Etc. The list goes on from one organization to another.


And also like Jose said, the NHRA DID ban turbos from Pro Stock when they saw the potential of them back in the 80's on Buddy's car.

 

Hey Guido, your still around. I remember your name from years ago. I've been on this board since early '98.

I know turbos are more efficient, but when your talking about pro race cars, ie funny cars and top fuel which are making thousands of horsepower, how efficient do you have to be? Every run down the track with one of these costs thousands of dollars, which is mainly paid by sponsers.

Funny this came up too, cause I was talking to Tony Schumacher (aka "the sarge") at the Winternationals last month. He happen to win that weekend with a trap speed of around 330 mph.
Anyway, when I was talking to him, a sportsman race had been going on at the track and he said: "that's a turbo, hear it?" He seemed really interested.

I still think for a street car, a supercharger or nitrous is the way to go. Turbo's are nice and ultimately make more power, but seem to be a hassle to install.

 

I know where Eds coming from on the blower Vs, turbo thing....

There is no denying the turbo's superiority in producing
horsepower and torque, but tuning for a turbo system is it's own animal..... Accomplished tuners will acknowledge that a turbo setup is harder to tune than a NA or blown application....

It's my opinion that turbo's are pretty much in the advanced fabricator/tuners relm.... Kit availability, knowledgable tuners, and general understanding of turbo system requirements are nowhere near as "mainstream" or common as those required for a supercharger.....

I would love to do a turbo, but I live in SoCal..... I would dare say there will NEVER be a turbo kit for LT1's that have a CARB OE#..... I know that realistically a turbosystem could be made more evironmentally friendly than a supercharger setup of equal power potential..... And that any NA setup that might approach a forced induction system's power level would be far from capable of passing a smog test..... Most people would say that these are not reasons to chose supercharger over turbo, but if you live in an area that requires emissions testing these reasons are a reality, whether you agree with them or not....

Yeah, I've gotten "lucky" on a Smog test or two..... But the penalties are getting really severe...... So, until someone put's a CARB OE# on a PTE88 I'm afraid I'll have to get my boost with a belt.....

 

Heatmaker- Just incase you are still looking for someone that builds headers and not trying to figure if a turbo is better than a SC, you should check out rsmotorsport.net, theyre located in cleveland ohio and from the looks of their site they are able to build any type of header, i also heard from a friend that their prices arent that bad. Their main focus is DSM (talon, ecplipse, lazer), but im sure they can help you out.

For everyone else... chalk one up for turbos