I just got my SHURflo pump and I am trying to figure out where to mount it. So basically where do you have your pumps mounted? Any pics???

 

What are you using for a tank? I'm sure we can come up with all kinds of crazy ideas.

 

I got a winshield washer fluid reservoir with a pickup at the bottom from Jordon Musser. That's going to be the tank. I'm ordering the nozzle, lines, and controller from www.alkycontrol.com, the guy who runs it (Julio Don) is an alky guru. He designed a really nice progressive alcohol controller. I'm going with the standard controller because I'm only running 6 psi, but I will go progressive later.

I just need to know where to mount the pump so I can tell him how long to make my steel braided line to the nozzle.

 

I don't have an alky setup but I would think you should mount it as close to the tank as possible to help the pump out, they dont like to pull, just push fluid.

Hunter

 

My pump is inside the tank, I have an smc kit

www.smcenterprises.com

 

I making the kit myself so the pump is going to be mounted outside. Where can I mount it???

 

Where are you mounthing the tank?

Hunter

 

How bout behind the air dam?

 

You mean like drilled into the back of the air dam??? Wouldn't that be risky???

BTW, the tank is the winshield washer fluid reservoir.

 

If the tank is the the stock window washer fluid location, why dont you just mount the pump on the inner fender? Make sure to check the hood clearance and watch where u drill into the fender, but that seems fine to me.

Hunter

 

So what model # did you go with? Alot of choices, and thus a chance of picking one with less than optimum/desirable specs.

 

Don't worry I have done plenty of research, I would not just buy some generic SHURflo, the model number is 2687 and it's more pump than I will ever need pressure-wise, flow-wise, and compatability-wise. Also, the pump will not get messed up if you run alky in it and then put it on a shelf because the inlet and outlet are a high quality plastic.

If you have any questions about an alky setup you should talk to Julio Don (www.alkycontrol.com). He knows his **** and he makes standard, voltage controlled (for 5 volt MAP, MAF etc.), and progressive controllers. There is a vid. on his site where he uses the progressive controller and goes up to almost 2 bar on pump gas (he hit 26 psi) in his TTA.

 

Had a tough time finding that model pump, then it dawned on me, that # seemed familiar. That model # is the std. pump listed in a Northern catalog. Please don' take this the wrong way, but if there was a generic pump, it would be this agricultural application pump. At a 60 psi rating, I consider this pump inadequate. I much prefer the 8000 series pumps for automotive water injection use, with or without alcohol. A quality water injection system requires adequate pressure, despite what some may have told you, or what you have read. However, if someone you respect, has recommended this pump, well, then go for it. I'm not posting to change your mind, just give some info from another perspective. Personally, I wouldn't give this pump more than a pasing glance. It's just not up to the specs I would use for water injection. I, like you, believe I have/had done my homework, including conversation with Shurflo to round out the info I have obtained. Hope this pump works out well for you. Really!

 

Actually, you don't need to hope it will work because bluntly I'm sure it will work. First off, I would not trust a convo with SHURflo since I doubt they use their pumps for automotive water injection or have any experience with it. You should go take a trip to the turbobuick forum where alky injection was pioneered and you will see that the majority of people with DIY kits are using this exact 2687 pump and that is the pump that is generally suggested for DIY'ers. Also, with the right nozzle this pump is capable and has done up to 150 psi.

Also, proper pressure is important for quality water injection and I find it weird that after I said I did my homework you had to tell me that pressure is important. Any moron that read anything about alky would realize that pressure is important... as I said, I did my homework not scratched my butt . One thing I found was that pressure is important but what's even more important is properly controlling pump speed. I mean if you were using a simple Hobbs switch to activate the pump so that it's only getting 12 volts then yes I would say pressure is an important factor. However, pump speed (voltage) is even more important to prevent pulsations in pump output to maintain a steady alcohol flow and with the right nozzle/system you will always get proper atomization. That is one of the reasons I am using this pump... diaphragm style pumps prevent pulsation which = better alky injection. Also, the whole system must be put together as a sytem, not individual parts. I mean I'm sure you can make this 2687 pump NOT work, but it would be hard, maybe if you used a 1 inch nozzle or something lol.

I understand that you seem to have some knowledge about alky injection but all the ppl I have talked to about it are people that actually design, test, or run systems and nothing else. But hey I don't know everything but I will be glad to show you the details of my system when it's done just so you know it works if you want. Not to be rude, methinks you should do a little more homework...

Oh and just incase you wanted to know, the 2687 is an 8000 series pump. If you want to see it for yourself on the northern tool website here's the link (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...9414&langId=-1). Enjoy

 

Well, let's look back:
My conversation with Shurflo was in regards to pumps in general, as it states, to round out info I have regarding pumps. The conversation was not specifically regarding pumps for automotive applications, let alone water injection. Shurflo's specialty is not auto water injection. My mistake for allowing you to misinterpret my statement.

You should go take a trip to the turbobuick forum where alky injection was pioneered and you will see that the majority of people with DIY kits are using this exact 2687 pump and that is the pump that is generally suggested for DIY'ers.

Buick forum didn't pioneer water and/or water/alcohol injection. That has been around long B4 turbo buicks were ever a gleam in some engineer's eye.

Also, I wonder if we are on the same page. You state 'alky' injection. I am stating 'water' injection. Are you using any water in this injection. I figured you were, as in something like a 50 alcohol to 50 water. Maybe I figured wrong.

I need to state that there is indeed, some very knowledgeble turbo Buick people around. But, and at the risk of sounding arrogant, is it just me that thinks some people believe the turbo crowd can do no wrong? I frankly don't care what the majority is using. I'm not much of a 'monkey see, monkey do' kinda guy, UNLESS I'm convinced/I believe the majority has the better idea. IF they do, I'll go with it. If not, I go a different route. Based on experience and info from elsewhere, I stand by my previous statement:
I did, however, fail to include in my original post, that I consider a QUALITY water injection system to be capable of at least 100 psi. I stand by this statement as well. I also stated:
So why are you getting so defensive? I did state, that I consider a 60 psi pump inadequate, however, I was referring to this in respect to what I consider a QUALITY system. If you inferred your pump wouldn't work, then I failed to make myself more clear. I know it works, and that there are those that actually use them. Dah! I'm just convinced the pressure is not optimum, that all.

Also, with the right nozzle this pump is capable and has done up to 150 psi.

I fail to see the logic here. Why modify a low pressure pump, when you can purchase the correct one outright, if that is what you really want?

Also, proper pressure is important for quality water injection and I find it weird that after I said I did my homework you had to tell me that pressure is important. Any moron that read anything about alky would realize that pressure is important...

Well, after making this statement regarding a 60 psi pump:
I frankly, just wasn't convinced, that's all.

One thing I found was that pressure is important but what's even more important is properly controlling pump speed. I mean if you were using a simple Hobbs switch to activate the pump so that it's only getting 12 volts then yes I would say pressure is an important factor. However, pump speed (voltage) is even more important to prevent pulsations in pump output to maintain a steady alcohol flow and with the right nozzle/system you will always get proper atomization. That is one of the reasons I am using this pump... diaphragm style pumps prevent pulsation which = better alky injection. Also, the whole system must be put together as a sytem, not individual parts.

I agree with the use of diaphram pumps, but...., you are not using an accumulator? OK

Not to be rude, me thinks you should do a little more homework...

If you are confident/convinced you made the correct choice.... ....again, don't know why you got so defensive.

Oh and just in case you wanted to know, the 2687 is an 8000 series pump. If you want to see it for yourself on the northern tool website here's the link

OK, gotta give ya that one. That #2687 is a Northern #. Because a supplier # will vary, I much prefer to use the mfr.'s #. Anyway, upon closer observation, I see that I did have the 8000-236 # alongside the Northern # for reference. You make note of the Northern link. You HAVE accessed the Shurflo site, I trust.

Edited: Again, may you have success with whatever components you decide to incorporate into the system you use.