ProCharger and Callies update (post some info here about your blower drive)
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Ken,
I haven't gotten the tensioner yet.. I am going to do it, just haven't had a chance yet.. Oh well, soon enough I guess.. I asked for pics a few weeks ago and didn't get many replies..
--Sean
I haven't gotten the tensioner yet.. I am going to do it, just haven't had a chance yet.. Oh well, soon enough I guess.. I asked for pics a few weeks ago and didn't get many replies..
--Sean
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Originally posted by 97TA-WS6-Con
So as i see it, there are THREE peeps that have had a Callies crank with an ATI D1 blower and the crank has broken.!!!!!!!
This scares the CRAP out of me.
Why is this happening.
I would like to know as you can imagine, it seems that it could as easily happen to me.
Any response from Callies. they providing replacement cranks?
Actually, there has only been one broken crank snout....... the one belonging to 1LEThumper. The other one mentioned in his previous post, and the one claimed by james007moore are the same one, and were in fact a failed dampner, not a crank problem. I know this because i built his engine about 3 years ago, and he contacted me thinking the snout had broken. He then called back a few days later explaining what he found upon disassembly. Between his first call and his second, I had already been in contact with Callies, which was at the same time of 1LEThumpers problem. Originally posted by 97TA-WS6-Con
So as i see it, there are THREE peeps that have had a Callies crank with an ATI D1 blower and the crank has broken.!!!!!!!
This scares the CRAP out of me.
Why is this happening.
I would like to know as you can imagine, it seems that it could as easily happen to me.
Any response from Callies. they providing replacement cranks?
Here's a link to pics & explanation of 1LEThumper's crank breakage, as it's at my shop, and has been thoroughly examined by Duane Boes at Callies. He's a design engineer, and has a lot of experience at failure analysis.
http://www.nu-tekmotorsports.com/cus...20cars%202.htm
Hope this helps clear things up a little.
Nick Norris
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Thanks Nick
I appreciate you taking the time to clear that up. One hopes that 'thumper' was a one of situation then.
Of course then I have to find out about the dampener problem. LOL
I appreciate you taking the time to clear that up. One hopes that 'thumper' was a one of situation then.
Of course then I have to find out about the dampener problem. LOL
Thanks for posting the pic up Nick, I have been meaning to do that for a long time now but since I'm about 1000miles away from school, and the car its hard to do.
It isn't much of an area that came into contact with the crankshaft but it does cause a pretty big stress risor there.
Callies did a very good job of working with me on sorting out the problem with the crank and what happened to it as a result. Nick was/is extremely helpful in getting the whole mess sorted out and back together. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
Like I said this was my first blower/stroker combo that I had done by myself and I didn't think that there would be a problem there. I knew that the bearings needed to be chamfered but I didn't know on the timing gear.
Oh well live and learn I guess.
I agree on the damper stud as well, Nick. I had a 8" stud in the crank before and it went out to the damper but I didn't have a washer and nut all the way out to the blower pulley itself. This time with the ATI damper, and longer stud and new belt setup I hope to get rid of a lot of the problems that was going on with it before.
It isn't much of an area that came into contact with the crankshaft but it does cause a pretty big stress risor there.
Callies did a very good job of working with me on sorting out the problem with the crank and what happened to it as a result. Nick was/is extremely helpful in getting the whole mess sorted out and back together. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
Like I said this was my first blower/stroker combo that I had done by myself and I didn't think that there would be a problem there. I knew that the bearings needed to be chamfered but I didn't know on the timing gear.
Oh well live and learn I guess.
I agree on the damper stud as well, Nick. I had a 8" stud in the crank before and it went out to the damper but I didn't have a washer and nut all the way out to the blower pulley itself. This time with the ATI damper, and longer stud and new belt setup I hope to get rid of a lot of the problems that was going on with it before.
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Originally posted by 1LEThumper
Well here is what I know so far from Callies and a couple other places. The entire rotating assembly was from Callies and I was using a ATI damper on the crank. The ATI D1SC blower was using a 15 psi 12 rib belt and I was seeing some slipping around 10psi or so. I do not think that the belt was to tight
and the bearings came out looking like new when I tore it apart. I (and Callies) think that the crank timing gear was not clearanced enough for the larger radius's on the crank. This combined with the stress from the blower I think did most of the damage. I also broke the input shaft on the blower as
well but I don't know what broke first. I do not know how both could have broken at the same time. The blower was fixed under warantee from ATI. The crank I had to just get replaced. This was my first stroker blower motor that had done myself so it might have been a couple of things put together that caused it to break but no one can say for sure. I am having the 'new'
bottom end put together by Nick and NuTek so hopefully it will not break again. I am also going to be using a cog setup on it, or at least try to.
If you do use a cog setup I don't think you want a lot of
belt wrap on it. With the reg. ribbed belts you want to get as much around it as you can. Also get a new tensioner because The ATI one isn't that
Anthony what did your break? Where you on it showing off like me Originally posted by 1LEThumper
Well here is what I know so far from Callies and a couple other places. The entire rotating assembly was from Callies and I was using a ATI damper on the crank. The ATI D1SC blower was using a 15 psi 12 rib belt and I was seeing some slipping around 10psi or so. I do not think that the belt was to tight
and the bearings came out looking like new when I tore it apart. I (and Callies) think that the crank timing gear was not clearanced enough for the larger radius's on the crank. This combined with the stress from the blower I think did most of the damage. I also broke the input shaft on the blower as
well but I don't know what broke first. I do not know how both could have broken at the same time. The blower was fixed under warantee from ATI. The crank I had to just get replaced. This was my first stroker blower motor that had done myself so it might have been a couple of things put together that caused it to break but no one can say for sure. I am having the 'new'
bottom end put together by Nick and NuTek so hopefully it will not break again. I am also going to be using a cog setup on it, or at least try to.
If you do use a cog setup I don't think you want a lot of
belt wrap on it. With the reg. ribbed belts you want to get as much around it as you can. Also get a new tensioner because The ATI one isn't that

I had my buddy over who also has a SC Tahoe and we drove his first then mine...we was video mine when it let go...if you listen carefully you can he it let go right at the end of the video!
http://204.250.250.27/kctrading/96K1...ing-engine.mov
He was almost in tears when it went...but I told him it would of let go if not now the next time I got on it.
Also funny thing is that it had a bit of ping when I first took off and it never did that before with the huge intercooler that I have...it was also a little down on power on that run as we also had a Tazzo hooked up (like a g-tech) to checking the 0-60mph
Ken
No, I wasn't showing off. The car was way out of tune to be showing off.
I had been cruising around that night trying to get the driveablity worked out on it.
It broke going about 30mph and 2500rpm, nothing more. It was about 1am and I was trying to keep it quiet driving home.
I had been cruising around that night trying to get the driveablity worked out on it.
It broke going about 30mph and 2500rpm, nothing more. It was about 1am and I was trying to keep it quiet driving home.
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Originally posted by 1LEThumper
No, I wasn't showing off. The car was way out of tune to be showing off.
I had been cruising around that night trying to get the driveablity worked out on it.
It broke going about 30mph and 2500rpm, nothing more. It was about 1am and I was trying to keep it quiet driving home.
Wow! it must of been partially broken and finally broke...when looking at my crank it almost looks polished in 2/3 of one area with the other 1/3 rough.....Originally posted by 1LEThumper
No, I wasn't showing off. The car was way out of tune to be showing off.
I had been cruising around that night trying to get the driveablity worked out on it.
It broke going about 30mph and 2500rpm, nothing more. It was about 1am and I was trying to keep it quiet driving home.
Reminds me when I had my 1968 GTO with a 400 engine and the nylon timing teeth decided to let go at idle mine you....and bent every valve in the engine! Guess it could of been worse and let go at red line

Did ATI ever say anything about the shaft breaking off on there supercharger? I've never heard of one breaking....did you get any pics on it?
Also thinking of getting an extra key in the crank and dampner...what do you guys think?
Ken
Just asked me what happened to it that was about it. From the outside about the only thing you could tell was that the center bolt holding the blower pulley on was gone.
Yeah I know what you mean about those timing chains....dad had it break on his '70 GTO, boy if that wasn't one of better ideas GM had
Yeah I know what you mean about those timing chains....dad had it break on his '70 GTO, boy if that wasn't one of better ideas GM had

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Update:
Here is what I have decide to do to keep the crank snout from breaking again...
1. use a 4340 steel crank
2. double key the crank and dampner
3. Street fluid dampnr
4. Switch from two belt system to a single sc belt accessory system....you can buy a brand new bracket installation kit from vortech for $221...I have one on the way
...this also gets rid of 5 lbs of extra rotating weight and keeps the leverage off the crank nose.
Ken
Here is what I have decide to do to keep the crank snout from breaking again...
1. use a 4340 steel crank
2. double key the crank and dampner
3. Street fluid dampnr
4. Switch from two belt system to a single sc belt accessory system....you can buy a brand new bracket installation kit from vortech for $221...I have one on the way
...this also gets rid of 5 lbs of extra rotating weight and keeps the leverage off the crank nose.Ken
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I elmininated any possibillity of crank snout breakage completley with one word,,,,,, turbo hehe. 
Mike

Mike
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Originally posted by Mikey 97Z M6
I elmininated any possibillity of crank snout breakage completley with one word,,,,,, turbo hehe.
Mike
I'd love to go with twin turbos if they made a kit that was calif. smog legal!Originally posted by Mikey 97Z M6
I elmininated any possibillity of crank snout breakage completley with one word,,,,,, turbo hehe.

Mike
Ken
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Originally posted by texlurch
Just curious for those that had the breakage.. were your cranks keyed, or just running the stock, pressfit style dampener?
Mine was a stock single keyed crank broke right at the radius:Originally posted by texlurch
Just curious for those that had the breakage.. were your cranks keyed, or just running the stock, pressfit style dampener?
http://64.246.6.99/~admin6/forum/sho...threadid=39997
Ken
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Ken,
Damn, just looked at your sig on that other forum. You got that big huge truck to pull a 14.1@95mph, that's pretty impressive really! I bet you've surprised more than a few quick cars eh!
Mike
Damn, just looked at your sig on that other forum. You got that big huge truck to pull a 14.1@95mph, that's pretty impressive really! I bet you've surprised more than a few quick cars eh!

Mike
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Originally posted by Mikey 97Z M6
Ken,
Damn, just looked at your sig on that other forum. You got that big huge truck to pull a 14.1@95mph, that's pretty impressive really! I bet you've surprised more than a few quick cars eh!
Mike
Should be in the low 13's to high 12's once I get the 383 installed Originally posted by Mikey 97Z M6
Ken,
Damn, just looked at your sig on that other forum. You got that big huge truck to pull a 14.1@95mph, that's pretty impressive really! I bet you've surprised more than a few quick cars eh!

Mike

I would of perfered a lite weight car with the engine in it but I can only afford one...can do just about anything in the 4x4 truck and haul 6 people to boot

Ken