Optispark Vent and Boost = Problem?
I need a competent answer before I tear into the opti again.
Background:
1) AT1 - ATI 8# on a 383, LT4 heads, mild cam, etc. 6-speed.
2) Below 4500 the car runs crisp and very responsive. No idle problems or hesitation.
3) Air-Fuel ratio is established in the low 12s throughout the powerband during WOT.
Problem Statement:
1) Occasionally (more often than not), above 4500, there is a hard drop off in power. Stumble, and not so often, dead-in-the-water.
2) Car resumes normal (below 4500 rpm) afterwards.
3) Replaced Opti cap/rotor
4) Replaced Coil (MSD)
5) Replaced ignition module
6) New Autolite 103 plugs
7) New Ignition wires
Pondering:
Since this is a 1996 with the vented opti, am I experiencing, through boost, a fluttering or other opti malfunction due to the high pressure being stuffed backwards into the opti? Should I plug up the vent line?
I am confident that the programming component is okay, as the car was previously running very good and then began its deterioriation.
Background:
1) AT1 - ATI 8# on a 383, LT4 heads, mild cam, etc. 6-speed.
2) Below 4500 the car runs crisp and very responsive. No idle problems or hesitation.
3) Air-Fuel ratio is established in the low 12s throughout the powerband during WOT.
Problem Statement:
1) Occasionally (more often than not), above 4500, there is a hard drop off in power. Stumble, and not so often, dead-in-the-water.
2) Car resumes normal (below 4500 rpm) afterwards.
3) Replaced Opti cap/rotor
4) Replaced Coil (MSD)
5) Replaced ignition module
6) New Autolite 103 plugs
7) New Ignition wires
Pondering:
Since this is a 1996 with the vented opti, am I experiencing, through boost, a fluttering or other opti malfunction due to the high pressure being stuffed backwards into the opti? Should I plug up the vent line?
I am confident that the programming component is okay, as the car was previously running very good and then began its deterioriation.
can you get the car to experience the same troubles at 4500+ when NOT under boost? If so, it's not related to boost and the opti... might be just the opti.
are you running the vent lines in the stock locations?
are you running the vent lines in the stock locations?
UPDATE:
I disconnected the intake manifold line to the opti and the problem remained the same. There were also properly functioning checkvalves in line. Therefore, I am ruling out the opti for now since I had the cap/rotor replaced earlier.
However, while under the car, I noticed that my rubber elbow tube, that is between the blower (output) and the twin-intercooler splitter pipe, was severely kinked and at less than a 90 degree angle. This is due to the way the P1SC sits in the bay and the tubing for the twins, it is very, very low and appears to be kinking the tube. I pinched it and it seems to be soft.
Now, the symptoms are starting to appear familiar. Earlier, prior to the blower install, I had built a cheesy CAI and due to the sheer power of manifold vacuum, it collapsed during hard acceleration, mostly in the upper RPMs, and then the car felt like it had the stuffing knocked out of it..big power drop-off. Well, those symptoms are just like this. So, the issue is...is the rubber elbow collapsing during acceleration due to vacuum, even though it is experiencing boost at about the same time (4500 RPM)? Seems illogical, but logic has been tossed to the wind before...
I disconnected the intake manifold line to the opti and the problem remained the same. There were also properly functioning checkvalves in line. Therefore, I am ruling out the opti for now since I had the cap/rotor replaced earlier.
However, while under the car, I noticed that my rubber elbow tube, that is between the blower (output) and the twin-intercooler splitter pipe, was severely kinked and at less than a 90 degree angle. This is due to the way the P1SC sits in the bay and the tubing for the twins, it is very, very low and appears to be kinking the tube. I pinched it and it seems to be soft.
Now, the symptoms are starting to appear familiar. Earlier, prior to the blower install, I had built a cheesy CAI and due to the sheer power of manifold vacuum, it collapsed during hard acceleration, mostly in the upper RPMs, and then the car felt like it had the stuffing knocked out of it..big power drop-off. Well, those symptoms are just like this. So, the issue is...is the rubber elbow collapsing during acceleration due to vacuum, even though it is experiencing boost at about the same time (4500 RPM)? Seems illogical, but logic has been tossed to the wind before...
I can't ascertain one way or the other since this is a relatively new install, but the boost gauge during its run up, starts fluttering at about 4-5#s and by then the whole power curve starts to collapse. I have an 8# unit, but with the twins, I doubt I could see a full 8#s at less than 6K RPM.
We may have to build a hardened tube in lieu of the flexible elbow. But the P1SC is hard mounted to the engine and the intercoolers are hard mounted to the body, so I still need some flexibility. Gonna have to get creative.
We may have to build a hardened tube in lieu of the flexible elbow. But the P1SC is hard mounted to the engine and the intercoolers are hard mounted to the body, so I still need some flexibility. Gonna have to get creative.
I had EXACTLY the same syptoms as you. Everything building fine. AFR was fine, FP was fine and then the HP on the dyno just cratered at 4500 and the car was stumbeling and generally unsettled..
Came home. I knew I was burning oil badly form the last rebuild and the rings not seating. The problem was oil fouled plugs.
However, assuming you do not have a burning oil problem then I think your spark is getting blown out. I would gap the plugs at 35 thou.
You have an aftermarket ignition box, right? When I was first on the dyno I took the box out thinking that it might be the problem. The next run, the numbers dropped off at about 4000 rpms and it was because the spark from the stock system could not make the jump so I knew the MSD was fine.
Good luck but that is my hint to you.
My opti has vented to atmosphere for three years without problem.
Came home. I knew I was burning oil badly form the last rebuild and the rings not seating. The problem was oil fouled plugs.
However, assuming you do not have a burning oil problem then I think your spark is getting blown out. I would gap the plugs at 35 thou.
You have an aftermarket ignition box, right? When I was first on the dyno I took the box out thinking that it might be the problem. The next run, the numbers dropped off at about 4000 rpms and it was because the spark from the stock system could not make the jump so I knew the MSD was fine.
Good luck but that is my hint to you.
My opti has vented to atmosphere for three years without problem.
Last edited by 97TA-WS6-Con; Sep 17, 2003 at 11:11 PM.


