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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:37 PM
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My half baked FI idea (not electric supercharger)

So I was sitting here working on starting an ebay scam buisness selling electric superchargers (those things are selling for $120, I have to give it a try), when an even stupider but plausible idea came to mind. Hows about a compressed air tank that can deliver like 14 seconds worth of air for a 1/4 mile run? It could be connected to an e-cutout, so under normal opperation it runs off the stock intake, but flip the switch and open the nozzle, and compressed air gets blown in via metal tubing.
1: is there any possibility it could actualy work, or
2: would somebody be stupid enough to buy it?
sorry, I know this is on the brink of a lounge topic, but I figured I'd see what ya'll have to say first.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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Good healthy SBC could suck down a 25 gallon air tank in about .5 seconds....

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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikey 97Z M6
Good healthy SBC could suck down a 25 gallon air tank in about .5 seconds....

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Well, those ebay scams rely on stupid people. I don't think ricer's know how much air an engine consumes per second.

It'd probably sell to some jackass.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 06:44 PM
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Even if you could supply a sufficient quantity of air to the engine, there is nothing there to keep it from escaping back out the intake. You wouldn't actually build boost because the existing throttle body and intake piping would act like a huge path for the air to escape through.

Just cut to the chase and install Nitrous.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:05 PM
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why not just go down to home depot and buy a small tank of liquid oxygen and hook that up. You know the ones they sell for the propane torches.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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Nice to see people just sit around and come up with ways of scamming people...

What goes around comes around.. And one day you will have to answer for stuff like that.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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I don't think anyone on here is trying to scam anyone. Just joking around.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikael
if you're looking to waste time, try my idea.



Build a turbocharger kit where the turbo is pushing air at higher presser say 12psi, with the intake psi being lesser say 8psi. The air will stay at higher pressure all the way through the intercooler, then drop to lesser and then into the engine. This will probably slow spooling, but on a V8 that's not much of an issue. This way the air entering the engine would be (assuming an awesome intercooler) compressed and at a temp lower than ambient temps.


The regulation of this pressure would be tough though. Let me know how it works out so i can patent it.

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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikael
if you're looking to waste time, try my idea.



Build a turbocharger kit where the turbo is pushing air at higher presser say 12psi, with the intake psi being lesser say 8psi. The air will stay at higher pressure all the way through the intercooler, then drop to lesser and then into the engine. This will probably slow spooling, but on a V8 that's not much of an issue. This way the air entering the engine would be (assuming an awesome intercooler) compressed and at a temp lower than ambient temps.


The regulation of this pressure would be tough though. Let me know how it works out so i can patent it.

i get what your saying, maybe the willie nelson guy will use a couple bowls full of the sticky icky trying to figure out how to do that one.....hehehe.

as for the bottle of air theory. being a firefighter i can tell you that the compressed air from a bottle wouldnt support the flow needed. yeah, you can get 4500psi air coming from the bottle but pressure isnt the same a volume.

ever had your blower hooked up with out the piping on and actually felt the air? those sucker move some air!!!

but rock on man! "light it up, smoke it up pass it to anotha...." cypress hill
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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but rock on man! "light it up, smoke it up pass it to anotha...." cypress hill
"roll it up, light it up, smoke it up, inhale, exhale"
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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"roll it up, light it up, smoke it up, inhale, exhale"
thank you, i stand corrected. dont listen to that kinda music much anymore...
Old Feb 21, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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Mickey Thompson developed a AA dragster in the early 70's that used compressed air in lieu of a supercharger. It was never completely sorted out and the NHRA rulemakers took so long to decide whether or not to allow it in competition, he lost interest.

One of the main challenges was weight of the array of compressed air tanks required for a 1/4 mile run. I remember an article about it at the time in Hot Rod Magazine titled "Mickey's Bottle Baby".
Old Feb 21, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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thank you, i stand corrected. dont listen to that kinda music much anymore...
I wasn't trying to correct you. I thought you were quoting another song of theirs, since they all seem to talk about smokin. I don't listen to them either.
Old Feb 21, 2005 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikael
where the turbo is pushing air at higher presser say 12psi, with the intake psi being lesser say 8psi.
Only reason that happens is because of efficiency losses and because of the delta across the core. 12psi-8psi is a HUGE loss of power.

Originally Posted by Mikael
This will probably slow spooling, but on a V8 that's not much of an issue.
This will have no effect on spool that you will ever notice...

Originally Posted by Mikael
This way the air entering the engine would be (assuming an awesome intercooler) compressed and at a temp lower than ambient temps.
That's just not possible. As you expand a mass of moving air the pressure drops and the speed drops. So you'll end up making the turbocharger go out of efficiency, more work to make less power, AND get less air into the engine... Dont forget your engine bay temps are higher then your temps after the intercooler. In this volume of air that idea isnt possible at all. Get a liquid/air intercooler and fill it with Ice. Call it a day. Or a Methanol kit. Or just run Methanol instead of gasoline.



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