Brain - It's a t72 but uses a larger shaft, bearing and center section, and heavier thicker turbine. The idea behind it is to not use weaker T04 parts which are prone to breakage under extreme conditions. It's similar to the Turbonetic's Tuff Turbo option but it doesn't use a stagared piston ring but does have a tougher turbine. The kit will require neither relocating your ABS nor your AC. It is going to be designed for very easy installation. The only modificaiton required will be to the traction control system to clear plumbing and to the front facia and bumper support to clearnence the intercooler. I did all the modifications in my own garage using common hand and power tools. Don't worry, the mods to the facia are easy and clean.

Nov194 - No objections at all. I'll even give you a ride in it if you want!

Travis - We need to turbocharge that Grand Am!!! Then you can play with Tiago.

 

Turbospeed, if the cashier at McDonald's short-changes you, do you call her a thief? No. What I said was:


I beg to differ, my badgering WAS provoked.

Also, I challenge you to find in any of my posts where I asked you anything about your set-up.

Mike

 

Rest the discussion... He answered what we needed to know...

You could post a video of the 1/4 run though? that wouldn't reveal anything..

Anyways...

My question... What is the price range on all this? I checked with a guy that had a TT installed... a lot of installation things and a lot of money went by...

Thanks

 

Shouldn't I be asking you tihs question? In anycase, no, normally when a cashier at McDonald's short changes you, he/she apologizes and corrects the mistake. Are you apologizing and correcting your mistakes?

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I beg to differ, my badgering WAS provoked.

Did I PM you some time and ask you to come into this thread and flame a bit. If so, show me... Here is your first post in this thread...


I agree with INTMD8 in that the stock engine will NEVER max-out the MAF, so if the computer senses the max signal, there must be a sensor error so it'll cut fuel. This is not limited to LT-1 cars either. Grand Prix GTP's have the same issue. This may come as a shock, but GM didn't intend for people to modify their products.

Furthermore, atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi. At atmospheric pressure, a bolt-on LT-1 will make 300 chp and about 250 rwph. If you were to double atmospheric pressure to 29.4 psi (equivalent of 14.7 psi of ambient temp. boost), the hp would double to 500 rwhp (which is roughly what is being claimed).

Therefore, to obtain 500 rwhp on a stock LT-1, you would need to run about 15# of boost with either a 100% efficient compressor or a 100% efficient intercooler.

But 500 rwhp with a ~75% efficient compressor and a <90% efficient intercooler with only 11# boost? By this same logic, 11# of boost on a stock LT-1 has a limit of 433 rwhp.

It doesn't add up.


You were just joining the band wagon of flames going on at that time. Previous to this post, I didn't know you exsisted. Everyone else has given up or decided to give me chance and take me at face value.

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Also, I challenge you to find in any of my posts where I asked you anything about your set-up.

Mike

You were flaming everything I said. It went from flaming my numbers, to flaming the engine, to flaming my desision not to post too much on it. I think you've pretty much burned everything up. At what are you going to just let us carry on a casual conversation?

 

It wasn't so much money as it was a great deal of time I've put into the system. As it sets, I really haven't changed much. If I can negotiate good prices with my vendors and keep production costs low, I am hoping for to tell the kit in the 3500 dollar price range for the base kit with numerous upgrades available.

As soon as I can get the camcorder over to a friend house, I will put the videos online.

 

My point was: to doubt someone is NOT to call them a liar. If someone short-changes you, you don't have to call him a thief.

And apparently, everything that I have posted has been some sort of a flame!!!?!? Most of it was good technical discussion. I never resorted to name-calling or telling anyone to find a new hobby. If I'm guilting of flaming someone, then you and your buddies are at least as guilty. At first, I was happy to see someone applying engineering principles to modifying cars. I didn't realize my technical challenges would be viewed upon as flames.

HeII, I even AGREED with you on some points! I guess AGREEING was some sort of reverse-flaming psychology, huh?

Mike

 

Awesome.. 3500 is nice. Question is.. what would be the upgrades?

This will include intercooler right?

 

My buddies weren't coexed here to defend me. Most of them just happen to be members of this board. I met the vast majority of my friends through an F-Body club when I first moved to Tulsa from St Louis. I'm all about good natured technical discussion. But I've been slammed from one side of this board to the other. All you did was join the flaming. So I treated you as such.

If you are interested in good natured, technical discussion and can accept the fact that I feel I have a great deal to risk by publishing too much too soon, then we are fine. Good natured discussion means giving me the benefit of the doubt enough to admit it's possible and explore the possibilities. It doesn't mean revisiting old thermodynamics lecture notes trying to find some way to make the equations add up to failure rather than success. It means allowing me the time to get my **** together on the system and make it into a installable kit.

If this is to much too ask, then grant me one simple request. Let others do the above in peace.

 

This will include an intecooler yes. To not use an intercooler is to not use a condom and that could lead to a nasty knock...

I gotta figure out what the peices of the final kit will be before I can figure out what upgrades will be available. The upgrade structure will most likely not follow the typical stage I, stage II thing. More along the lines of adding nice to have items that allow you to make more power for a given application.

 

When did you move from St. Louis?

$3500 is almost unbelievable. If you can get it done for that price, you're either getting stuff for a damn good price, or you're not making any cash.

Got a few questions that I will e-mail you about. I can understand why you don't want to post specifics.

Sorry, I haven't been following this thread. It's been about 6 pages of "nu-uh and uh-huh" posts.

 

shutup!.....let him keep it cheap!

 

Mongoose - I sent a response to your email. I'll respond here on the board later. It's been a tough morning and I'm going to Hooters for lunch...

 

This kit sounds really cool. I hope it can be made to fit in the engine compartment of my 3rd gen lt1. If so I will be interested in the future. It does sound unbelievable, but then so did 9 second street cars a few years ago. Nice job, keep us posted.
Kory

 

I dont know why but I just read through every page. I am now two years older and read a lot of information I do not understand.

With that being said. I think it is fine he wants to protect his investment. He has obviously put a lot of time into it. When it is done and marketed, it is done and marketed. Right now is just a period of gaining interest. Typical business practice.

Some things dont match up? O well. To the simple minded guy who switched out of engineering , all that crap doesnt matter. Show me the performance aspects and the mods it took to achieve them.

Do you really think someone is going to be able to sell a turbo kit that is suppose to give these kind of results and winds up only yielding 400 rwhp and 120 mph traps? Probably still a yes but at that point there will be a lot more people questioning what kind of business owner makes such outrageous claims and fails to deliver. That equates to a loss in business. Would someone purposely sabotage something they plan on selling? I doubt it. The #s may be puffed a little but they will have to be semi-accurate if he wants to be able to keep selling kits.

When all is said and done, I believe a DETAILED (down to the last small tweak) list be made with the results it produced. Then sell the kit and everyone is happy. They know exactly what they can expect. Like I said before, I could care less about the math and engineering aspects really. My question is does it work and do what it is suppose to?

If and when this kit is proven to deliver these #s once offered, then you can count me in. Especially for $3,500. Turbo

 

damn I can't believe I missed this party

I just wanna vouch for Bryan (turbospeed) as well, Ive known him for a while and have seen the car run , its for real.