Any rough estimate as to the cost of one of these bad boys? Or at least what you have paid? Just very curious and interested!

 

Just remember, if it detonates just one time for whatever reason, ie bad gas, incorrect timing, too lean, on the stock LT1 pistons, it's all over. This applies to turbos too.

How long have you had the turbo on?
How many runs have you made down the track?
How long will your motor last?

I bet you it will not last as long as you think.

Ed

 

Jason was instrumental in the developement of the duct tape mod for the elbow. Seriously, what's been proven with the LT1 platform will be proven with the LS1 platform soon. But we will cross that burning bridge when we have his numbers.

Ed

The system has been on the car since early October. I'm aware of the detonation issue but I've addressed that to the fullest extent possible with an extremely efficient intercooler system and moderation on boost. I don't touch the boost controller unless she has good gas in her. If she blows due to detonation, it will be due to an issue beyond my control (ie bad gas). Because this system is capable of what it is, it takes an exersize in self-control to keep the boost turned down when it should be turned down. This is no different than deciding NOT to put in that slightly larger nitrous jet just before a big run.

I've made anywhere between 50 and 75 runs down the track in a series; most of them hotlapped. Boost ranged between 4-11 psi. I built the system to not blow anything up then I try to kill it.

How long a motor will last with this system is directly propersional to the amount of self control the user has. But the same can be said about nitrous kits too. Turbochargers are a hell of alot easier on the engine than nitrous kits are and having a 150 shot on a stock lt1 is common. This system is just as happy at 4psi as it has been at 11 and will be well beyond that. Turn the boost controller down when you are on pump gas (I run at 6-7psi on 93 on the street). It's as simple as that!

I've never heard of anyone questioning Holley when someone blows their engine trying to squeeze a little more out of a Nitrous Oxide Systems kit. Nor have I heard of anyone complaining about Procharger when they blow their engine after changing pullies. I am going to take it a step further and tell kit buyers what has and hasn't worked from my own experience with my car. It's ultimately up to the user to decide what he thinks a safe and sane amount of boost would be for a given days conditions.

 

Damn... 128 MPH with 2.2 60'

With a car set up for 1/4 mile, that would be knocking on the 9 second door. A bone stock LT1 making low 10 second power with stock fuel system would be a great bolt-on, so I can see you wanting to not show your "design".

Something somewhere doesn't add up.....so I still think you're full of crap, but it sounds great so hope I'm wrong.

 

If you aren't lying....hoorah and good for you
If you are lying....BOOO and BAD for you

LOL

 

What if the owner of the track here TIR was to vouch for the time?
The owner of where it dynoed does the same for the numbers?
He posts pics of the car maybe showing some of the set up but nothing he wants to duplicate for production?
Posts a clip of the car running?
Just like he said: he took jabs saying he couldn't do it and he did.
Then it was: it wouldn't make any power and it did
Then: it won't do it at the track and it did
Some will never believe it unless they actually see it. Or until you hear it!
Why the disbelief? Because he didn't buy it from a manufacturer and have the decals to prove it? Cars can't go that fast?
It doesn't disobey any laws of physics I know of.......just someone with an idea, that did the work and now has a car that hauls.
How long will it last? My LT1 doesn't have the date it will expire on it anywhere either...so? Forced induction is harder on parts but that usually applies to all attempts to increase power.
All I know is I don't want to ride in it again until he gets a cage and the passenger side brakes fixed.

 

Ron..its useless. God forbid anyone verifies his times, or everyone will think its a giant conspiracy. Any time someone does something that is good for power, and no one else has done it before, it gets claimed as fake. Hell, we ran 109 in a turbo civic hatch 4 years ago on 7 psi. Do you know how many people claimed BS on that? Everyone swore up and down it was 20 psi. Why? I think people under size their turbos or superchargers. Yeah, yeah, a D1 is capable of 850 FWHP, but thats it max. I don't want to push it to its limit to get the power I want, I want it to not have to work hard at all. Do you doubters realize how many 300 whp STOCk motor turbo hondas there are? If those motors pick up on average over 140 whp, why can't a camaro pick up a bit more? Old thinking is why. Hell, GMHTP had a turbo z28 that was a 383 and it had a 60-1 on it? Hello, we put that on 1.8l motors! No wonder it peaked at 440 rwhp @ 20psi! Turbospeed, please, get that setup tweaked and for sale! Once a few have sold, and people realize that it does make the power you say, it will sell awesome.

 

Hell, I only live about an hour from you, Id be really interested in seeing the car run when you go to the track sometime if it's still alive by summer. My car would be out by then and it would be a good evening I'm sure.
I'm not building my car up for drag racing, top speed is more my thing, but a turbo would work great for that......and two would be better
By then you should even have the kit going I would imagine. Keep working on it, we need all the minds we can get.....I'd love to see you make this happen.

 

that doesnt make any sense to me...........you might as well post the pics......no one is going to buy a kit without pics......and anyone who does buy the kit, is going to post pics of it anyway.

its not like someone is going to copy it just from pics.


every other company out there has pics of their products....thats business.

 

To me, the results are just hard to believe.

At 463rwhp (200rwhp over stock), and 7lbs of boost, your STOCK engine is gaining about 30rwhp per pound of boost.

30rwhp per pound of boost on a stock engine (not-optimized cam, low flowing heads, etc) is a fuggin lot!!

And I know that RWHP numbers don't always equal out to trap speeds, but I don't think many people are trapping 128 mph in a full weight car with only 463rwhp.

The other thing that doesn't add up is that your car is a 97, and when you max out the maf sensor on an OBD2 car (which you are doing), it cuts your injector pulsewidth in half which would make the car run hella-lean, even with an FMU.

And I really don't understand why there are no pictures of what you did. If you end up selling the kits are you going to install them all yourself and put a padlock on the hood so no-one can ever see them? Posting a picture of the prototype could only help you make the decision on whether or not to produce them, and you could also get constructive criticism so things coud get changed to peoples likings (if any changes were needed) BEFORE production.

If you accomplished what you claim than congratulations. I suppose anything is possible, but everything just doesn't add up to me

 

Just a question..
Why would "maxing out the maf" cut the inj pw in half?

 

Never said the 11.9 at 128 pass was made at 7psi. Infact it was made around 11psi. An error in your thinking is generalizing the power out put to 30rwhp per pound of boost. CFM is horsepower. It take significantly more air to pressurize at 7psi than that it does at 5 or 3, etc. The air flow chart looks more like a bell than a linear rise in air flow. Also, I did take out the spare tire and back seats. I'm still over the weight of what my car weighed stock due to the addition of the turbo kit but it's closer. All other systems are intact.



That's an old wives tale. The first thing you have to ask yourself is, why would GMs programmers cut the injector pulse in 1/2. Actually what happens is that when the MAF goes beyond it's calibrated air flow, the computer switches to speed density mode where it reads air tempurature and manifold pressure to adjust the injector pulse. Don't take my word for it, call Carol Supercharging and ask them.



You might have noticed above where I mentioned once the system is finished I would post more pics than you know what to do with. I am not posting anything now because I don't have any patent or copyright protection. Once I do, if a another producer decides to build a kit based on my designes, he/she does so under risk of violating my patents and copyrights. You will find most companies seek some form of protection for their products to protect their investments against a competitor copying them.

I appreciate the complement. However noone has yet to tell me what pictures of the car sitting stationary in my garage are going to prove about the performance of the car that the dynosheets and time slips haven't already proven? I've got a couple huge catapiler turbochargers laying around that I want to build gas turbine jet engines out of, will posting pics of those turbochargers prove that my car went 128 in the 1/4? I mean I can take pics of all kinds of inert objects which is exactly what my car is when it's sitting in my garage but I fail to see how that proves how well it runs. Why should I take the risk of my competition using my designs to show you something that my dynosheets and time slips have already show. And what they have shown is performance. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that...

 

The reason your catching so much **** is because you won't share your information.

This board is based on sharing information. Everyone (up until you) comes on the board looking for, or offering information on what they are working on.

You come on the board making great claims about how much you can do with duct tape and whatever, but refuse to show anyone any pictures of anything. This is new for us, usually people come to the board wanting to share information, not tease us with tidbits.

If you want to pursue the sales of turbochargers, you should contact the board administrators and set up an advertising account.

If you are here to share information, do it.

So far, you've been of no benefit to anyone at all.

Just my opinion

 

I am no one to talk because I have not gotten any pics of my setup yet...but the numbers just dont add up. Just my opinion.

 

Well if you think about it he is sharing info. How would you like to be deciding on going forced induction and just as soon as you decide to go with that $5300. supercharger that the very next day somebody came out with a kit that made 2/3 more horsepower, better reliability, and costed half as much. You would be a little irritated to say the least. Furthermore what is wrong with someone telling about their good fortune of building something that most people would never attempt to build by themselves. I think that if you dont have anything good to say or any constructive critisicm then maybe you ought not say anything at all. He is not here to start a flame war neither am I. Furthermore if word gets out about the power he made and then pics are acquired then it is very possible that another company can take his idea and get the kit in production faster than he can. So give him time to get a patent on it. Until then enjoy the knowledge that someone has designed a system to be farely affordable and powerful as well. If we cant share our success then what good is success. It is understandable to be leary of such a new design that promises awful amounts of power. At the same time give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He has not given anyone a reason to disbelieve him. What is it insane to think that my 99 T/A with mid length headers, Thunder 224 cam, Ed wright programming, 150 shot of Nitrous, and a 3600 convertor went as much as 11.17 @121. Or that with the long tubes and Stage 2 heads with no programming for the head change that it went 11.65 @117 NA. If not then why is it so insane that somebody did their homework and designed helluva turbo system. Gee I wonder if the manufacturer that first designed fuel injection got dragged thru this same crap. Furthermore if for some reason you think this another post from the author go to the tulsafbody.com and ask who runs the green 99 T/A and how fast it went. You might mention if you do go there that the T/A that you ask about is the one that is now motorless.You will find out pretty quick that it is someone other than turbo speed and that I take racing and horsepower very seriously.