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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

I have a new rebuilt trans w/ mccleod single disk, lt4 pp, and reman. flywheel. The clutch it not 100% seperating. I just replaced the entire hydralic system and it changed nothing.

Is there anything else I can do to cause more seperation? Will an adjustable master actually create more seperation or just adjust the point on the pedal in which it seperates?
Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Re: Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

I had that problem too, I put in a ram adjustable master cylinder and now it engages right off the top. Once the clutch starts breaking in the engagement height will move up too.
Old Sep 24, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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I had that problem too, I put in a ram adjustable master cylinder and now it engages right off the top. Once the clutch starts breaking in the engagement height will move up too.
Same disk and pp? thats interesting. Was yours really hard/almost impossible to put into any gear when the car was on? Where did you get your ram adjustable from?

Any help is greatly appreciated as ive had this problem for about 1.5 months w/ out being able to drive the car
Old Sep 25, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 07:20 AM
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Re: Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

I suspect you may need to shim the PP out for proper adjustment. Give Mcleod TECH support a call, they should be able to help. 714-630-3668
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 02:24 PM
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I suspect you may need to shim the PP out for proper adjustment. Give Mcleod TECH support a call, they should be able to help. 714-630-3668
that is probably true, but since the engadment point will go down after its broken in. It seems like shimming wouldnt be necessary and then once its broken it you would need to move the engagment point back down. Consider that you are not suppose to have problems w/ the mccleod single disk and resurafaced flywheel / lt4 pp. This is why I wanted to try the adjustable master, sinc it could possible move the pp further back?
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Is there any way I could test to see if the adjustable master would fix this problem? Before I go throught hell taking all that hydraulic crap back out again? Like possibly rig something up to just test it w/ the current hydraulics?

Before I tried removing that metal cup that the slave bolts onto and just bolting the slave directly up and further on then normal because I thought that that would give me some more push or seperation since the slave was bolted on further but it didnt seem to make a difference? Would that make a difference or would the hydraulics counter for it?
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An adjustable Master will change the position of pedal height and allow you to engage the clutch higher or lower to the floor. If I read this right, you are not able to 100% DISENGAGE to allow shifting smoothly with the motor running. I am guessing the slave cyclinder may be reaching full travel and any adjustment would have to be made at the component level.
If (by chance) the T.B. still has a little pull travel left in it, you might try some shim action to lengthen the actuator rod a tad on the slave and see if that gets things done for you.
Just be careful, because you can bend the actuator rod if things are at full travel and you keep applying pedal pressure.
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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Re: Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

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An adjustable Master will change the position of pedal height and allow you to engage the clutch higher or lower to the floor. If I read this right, you are not able to 100% DISENGAGE to allow shifting smoothly with the motor running. I am guessing the slave cyclinder may be reaching full travel and any adjustment would have to be made at the component level.
If (by chance) the T.B. still has a little pull travel left in it, you might try some shim action to lengthen the actuator rod a tad on the slave and see if that gets things done for you.
Just be careful, because you can bend the actuator rod if things are at full travel and you keep applying pedal pressure.

Are you saying that the adjustable master does not actually add more travel, it just adjusts where on the pedal it engages? Because I have heard this before which is why I was asking in the first place.

Wouldnt adding something on the end of the actuator rod basically be the same thing as bolting the slave up closer to the bellhousing or does the technique not work?
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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Adjustable Master does not add extra travel on the slave cyl.

Adding extra length to the slave cyl rod and shortening the slave cyl mounting plate would have the same results in the end. Again... if you are at MAX pull length on your T.B., the above 2 options will have no effect.
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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Re: Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

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Adjustable Master does not add extra travel on the slave cyl.

Adding extra length to the slave cyl rod and shortening the slave cyl mounting plate would have the same results in the end. Again... if you are at MAX pull length on your T.B., the above 2 options will have no effect.
Thanks thats what I have been wondering. Is there any real way to find out if you reach max pull on the pp? Would the pp be what is limiting the pull not the t/o bearing?
Old Sep 29, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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Re: Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

There should be a SPEC on Slave cylinder MAX extend length, but I don't know that value...sorry.. perhaps someone else will chime in. BTW I'm having the same issue on my S.T. as you and after pulling the tranny a few times and trying to get things to work, I decided to send it all back to Mcleod for a rebuild. My problem seems to be a bit of warpage on the bottom disc and floater, even though the disks could stand new pads.
Old Sep 29, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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Re: Will an adjustable master create more seperation?

Well I finally got ahold of some people at Mccleod he said that the adjustable master would give you some more seperation as it has a larger bore so it displaces more fluid. Think I should try it before taking everything apart? He said the setup I have should work, but if all else fails take it apart and measure the disc and or send it in.



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