Were they all Spec Stage III clutches?

 

2&3

 

both prefessionally installed, and by myself.

I've done dozens of clutch swaps with no issues.
They were found to be defective after being reviewd by SPEC.

 

So that gives you every right so say Spec clutches in general are "junk" because? Do you get my point?

 

when a stage 1 goes bad in 10k, w/ 90% highway driving and NO track time, i would say junk. they wouldnt even offer me a replacement because it was past 120 days. when it went, the throwout bearing litterally broke in 3 pieces also. it also destroyed a brand new fidanza alum. flywheel.

 

yes it does.

out of X amount they produce they have X amount of failure.

I had 3 clutches of thiers fail. That their engineers noted as defected. Others with the same problem have noted the same issues that I experienced. Again this is about 2-3 years ago. In my opinion their products are horrible. you can think otherwise that's your opinion. But after spending over 2grand swapping failed clutches I don't reccomend them at all. You see my point. Bad customer experience, equals bad review and that's not going to change. I now use a spung hub clutch that equals the power of thier springless 4-5I series or what ever they call it, and it is by all means far supperior to their products. instead of swapping disk, I just swap pressure plates...now that my friend... is a good clutch. I mean if you want to use a Spec and it works for you cool, but there have been allot more complaints on this board about thier clutches than praise. usually about chatter problems, dissengagment problems, early wearout. ETC. Rarely in my years here on this board have I seen so many complaints about any other manufacturer.

 

I purchased one of the first Spec_3 clutches (early when they were first in the bizz) and their Alum flywheel. It chattered alot @ first, then got better after break-in. On down shifts, I always double clutch and add engine rpm. (heel&toe + D_clutch on corners) Helps the gear transition, and, less drag on the clutch disc. But it started to make noise (like a rivet dragging). Pulled the trans. I called then for a replacement disc. They did not have one for the old clutch assembly. I had to purchase a brand new Spec disc/ press_plate, and a Alum fly wheel disc insert (far more $ than I wanted to spend). So far OK on #2, but, they do chatter alot, so, I usually drive them hard and try not to slip them. They seam to work better that way. In reverse, they can chatter big time when you slip them. (97SS 383 - D1 MM6)

 

LOL... whatever dude. No it really doesn't give you any right to throw out some generic statement saying Spec is junk. Just because you had bad luck with two types of clutches doesn't make you a resident expert to call all five of their clutches junk.
You are throwing around all these generic statements claiming the clutch you have now is far superior to their Stage 4 and 5? How do you know? You've never had one therefore how can you rightly say it's better? You can't.

 

Well, sounds like people who can drive a stick, rev match on downshift etc, its ok. I've got a stg3 in mine, but have yet to drive it as the car is all torn apart still. Hopefully it'll all work out, though if it chatters, not to worry too much.

 

What ever dude??? lols... You don't put out defective products and send replacements for them unless you know something is wrong with that particular line. Your on here talking from assumptions, I'm talking from experiences with the manufacture and thier products, and that's to different ends of the spectrum.

How can I say that thier 4-5i clutches are inferior to other manufactureres? easy... because they need to loose springs to achieve the capabilities of a clutch with a more simplistic design. The clutch I'm using now is made to hold 500+hp has the street manors of the stock clutch, disengages up top, and doesn't chatter at all. It's been in the car for almost 3 years now, and last time I pulled the transmission, it looked like it was barely worn. Now name a spec clutch that equals that same performance? There are hardly any members on here even running the 4-5's from Spec. Most of the guys on that level have purchased an ST for a reason, becasue they work.

I mean what is your angle realy? your arguing because you don't like the fact that I was dissatisfied after having thier product fail on me several times?
What idiot is satisfied with a poor quality product? What do you work for Spec or something?

I reguraly race my car, and I've tried all brands of clutches for the car except for centerforce, and of them all Spec was the one that gave me the most problems. You don't have to take my word for it. Just do a search for SPEC and see how many complaint post there are. I'm done here. C-yah

 

Me owning a Spec clutch for the last 2 plus years talking from assumptions?
All the more reason why you, being the experienced clutch installer that you are, cannot make "assumptions" that all of the Spec brand clutches are "junk". Is that too hard for you to understand?

You've had "experience" with two of their clutches. That's fine. Good for you. However to say how "Spec is junk..." when you haven't had experience with all of the clutches they offer has no merit because it is false propaganda. You're happy with your clutch. I'm happy with mine as well as many others being happy with theirs with at least one of them I personally know who had a Stage IV stand up to 1.5 60' times running mid to high 10's, racing every weekend on his daily driver.
To say the Stage III is junk is probable. To say "Spec is junk.." when the only "experience" obtained was from two different style clutches is downright retarded.

Oh.. and... Bu-bye!

 

did you happen to read my post about the stage 1? on a car with my mods and NO track time, a stage 1 should have held up fine. i drive my car about 80 miles round trip to work, mostly highway might i add, and it lasted a measely 10k. Being my DD, i do not have time to and money to to ship a crap disc back and forth HOPING for a tech to determine it was defective. this disc also destroyed a $400 flywheel within that time. They wold do absolutely nothing to help, except give me a SMALL discount on a new setup. so that is 3 levels of thier clutch, not 2 that could be considered "junk".

 

Well gee golly whiz... just like the Comp R's that have been in my engine for the last two years along with a Spec clutch that has been on there even longer I must be that lucky!
And like I've told all those who've experienced lifter failures... For the amount of disgruntled people who've had a bad experience there's been twice as many with a good experience.
Besides with clutch installs it's really hard to prove who is at fault when all you have are words on the internet. If you don't have the money then why in the HELL did you have a $400 flywheel in a nearly stock car?

 

because when i bought the setup i had the money to buy it. where my money comes from is not the concern and none of your business, and the setup was installed by master tech. the reason for the flywheel?, i didnt plan on the car beiong stock for long, but when you have to dump anothe grand on a clutch install 6 months after you just put one in, kinda kills your savings for h/c swap. you've had good luck with yours, thats great. i dont see anyone bashing your opinion. i personally think they're junk and would never use one again

 

You should really do the work yourself. That would save you a chunk of money. I just asked a simple question since you put it out there you had such an expensive flywheel and no money.
To say one particular clutch is "junk" I have no problem with. But bashing an entire line of clutches when you haven't used them all is just dumb.