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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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I can't drive around 15-25mph !

I swapped from A4 to M6. My trans is D&D Viper T56 and I have Spec 3 Clutch with Spec Aluminum Flywheel.

I can't drive around 20mph without pressing clutch. Car is shaking like a horse. I must press the clutch to get smooth, or get the shift neutral. Maybe its related to my cam (240/246dur. 112lsa), but no something should be wrong. M6 should be funny, but its not funny at all. I hope there is a problem, because if not it is too difficult to get smooth drive.

You guys always press the clucth pedal while you drive around low speed?
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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Re: I can't drive around 15-25mph !

Welcome to the wonderfull world of cam surge in 6-spds, I have a 222/230 cam and at low speeds under 2K i get surge.
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 06:50 PM
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mine happens at 1500rpm when trying to maintain speed. doesn't doing when excellerating...just cruising...sometimes.

but yeah...it's cam surge.

alot of times it can be tuned out. but with THAT big of a cam...doubtfull
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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Tuning can eliminate cam surge, Jeff Creech cured mine.
Old Aug 17, 2006 | 01:28 AM
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OMG! so its a regular thnig huh? Wow! I already got my tune from Ion (MadZ28), so to eliminate the surging of cam (shaking), I press the clutch pedal at low speeds, you guys do that? I think my Spec will last a few days later lol

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Old Aug 18, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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Re: I can't drive around 15-25mph !

what gear are you in?? If i put the car in 4th @ 30 mph with my engine temp150 degrees or lower with light throttle my cam surge is alot more noticable then it is when the car is fully warmed up.

I wonder if your experiencing the specs clutch chatter
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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what gear are you in?? If i put the car in 4th @ 30 mph with my engine temp150 degrees or lower with light throttle my cam surge is alot more noticable then it is when the car is fully warmed up.

I wonder if your experiencing the specs clutch chatter
3.42 gear ratio.

No way! I can't drive in 4th around 30mph!

Yes I think the chatter that I'm hearing.

Okay while I'm racing it is really funny, and acceleration Woww!!!

BUT,

While I'm driving in traffic (thats mostly) with my girlfriend, thats something like horse! I MUST press the clutch pedal or get the switch neutral.

You guys struggle like me while in traffic or at low speeds ????
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 02:32 PM
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Tuning will cure that. Just use lower gears/louder music Btw, alum. flywheel makes it worse. Is clutch/flywheel balanced correctly?
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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Re: I can't drive around 15-25mph !

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3.42 gear ratio.

No way! I can't drive in 4th around 30mph!

Yes I think the chatter that I'm hearing.

Okay while I'm racing it is really funny, and acceleration Woww!!!

BUT,

While I'm driving in traffic (thats mostly) with my girlfriend, thats something like horse! I MUST press the clutch pedal or get the switch neutral.

You guys struggle like me while in traffic or at low speeds ????
I am confused by this post. Are you hearing it (chatter) or are you feeling it (bucking like a horse) you eluded to both. Also when you had it tuned did you tell him you converted to an M6? if it is still tuned for the auto then there are more things that need to be done to the tune....
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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Tuning will cure that. Just use lower gears/louder music Btw, alum. flywheel makes it worse. Is clutch/flywheel balanced correctly?
Yes its Spec 3 Clutch and Spec Aluminum Flywheel balanced and came bolted on the block.
I have no vibration while acceleration, Or cruising at 3000rpms
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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I am confused by this post. Are you hearing it (chatter) or are you feeling it (bucking like a horse) you eluded to both. Also when you had it tuned did you tell him you converted to an M6? if it is still tuned for the auto then there are more things that need to be done to the tune....
I'm hearing noise that is coming from shifter area. I think thats transmission noise.
Yeah bucking like a horse, while I'm driving around 2000rpm without pressing any pedals.
Yes my PCM programmed for M6
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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is the noise you hear at the same time as the bucking? if so then it is all associated to cam surge, and since you said it was tuned fo the m6 then you may want to go to Jeff Creech to have it dyno tuned and get that tuned out too. Jeff is cool and can work serious magic...
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SlowFormula
is the noise you hear at the same time as the bucking? if so then it is all associated to cam surge, and since you said it was tuned fo the m6 then you may want to go to Jeff Creech to have it dyno tuned and get that tuned out too. Jeff is cool and can work serious magic...
No, I heard the noise while I'm driving at low speeds at 2nd or 3rd gear. I'm sure its transmission.
I don't know about clutch "chatter". This is my first M6 impressions, so I don't know what I'm hearing is normal, or not.
Yes dyno tune would be great if I live there

I just want to know at low speed you can't drive with constant speed smoothly right?
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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Re: I can't drive around 15-25mph !

Well the bucking is cam surge..

The noise could be the gears in the tranny meshing Do you have a aftermarket Shifter?
Old Aug 18, 2006 | 11:06 PM
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Yes I think the gears. No I have stock shifter came with D&D viper spec T56.



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