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Old May 28, 2008 | 10:08 PM
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LT1 NA bolt-on only record is broken

After a little bit of testing and a little bit of work I ran the following at Thompson Raceway Park in Thompson Ohio:

first pass
1.552 60'
4.769 330'
7.439 1/8 mile
91.63 1/8 mile mph
9.758 1000'
11.722 1/4 mile
114.59 1/4 mile mph
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second pass
1.568 60'
7.448 330'
7.415 1/8 mile
91.63 1/8 mile mph
9.737 1000'
11.702 1/4 mile
114.30 1/4 mile mph


third pass
ABORTED PASS: track was so bad from all the imports and street tires, car tried to hook then spun. I then packed it up and drove the car home.

I wish it was a normal bracket event versus it being a grudge night where the track would have been better as the night went on, the air wasn't that great but this time of the year 63 degree, 50% humidity, and baro of 30.2 was nice.

Josh, that electric water pump dilly really worked, I was shocked to see the gains that the water pump produced. Thanks.
Old May 28, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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That's flyin!! Congrats.
Old May 29, 2008 | 07:15 AM
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CONGRATS

Did you only change the pump or did you tweak anything else? Thats some pretty impressive gains from that electric water pump if thats all that was changed.

Josh
Old May 29, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Lots of tweaks, we tested a little prior that morning and found a few things that worked for the car. The pump was a solid .09 by itself. Thanks again!
Old May 29, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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Congratulations, Tom.

Now what?

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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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Good for you Tom, I love following your efforts and improvements. Then again it pisses me off at the same time.
Old May 29, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Congrats Tom, you have put a lot of work into it for just having the car for a short time...

But, I hate to be the first to put this out there because I am going to sound like I am complaining, but is this still the same N/A bolt-on record if the intake is swapped, even if you put another GM intake on it directly out of the box, it is a different design (carb setup) then the OE intake (fuel injected setup) that most of us are trying to get this record with.
Old May 29, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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Congrats man, that is absolutely sick how quick you guys are running w/bolt-ons.

Any videos of ur car Tom?
Old May 29, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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Congrats Tom, you have put a lot of work into it for just having the car for a short time...

But, I hate to be the first to put this out there because I am going to sound like I am complaining, but is this still the same N/A bolt-on record if the intake is swapped, even if you put another GM intake on it directly out of the box, it is a different design (carb setup) then the OE intake (fuel injected setup) that most of us are trying to get this record with.
Is this the car with the powerglide too?

At what point do we stop calling things bolton?

The times are impressive, and the actual et is probably faster than I will ever run. But really my turbo "BOLTS" to the motor... its just exhaust right? Heads bolt on... a cam has bolts in the retainer and the timing gear...
Old May 29, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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That's why this catagory isn't "OFFICIAL". For me, the 3:73 gears alone would take it out of the bolt on catagory.
Old May 29, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28SORR
That's why this catagory isn't "OFFICIAL". For me, the 3:73 gears alone would take it out of the bolt on catagory.
There are official rules and people who try for it, and they have been in place for many years now. The rules were made up by the editors of GM High Tech when they started testing bolt-on and seeing how far people could take them. Some of us try to abide by that direction, but Tom has thought outside the box and went with a carb setup. Although he has all the standard bolt-ons I think this mainly proves how much better a carb'd car will run vs an efi car at this level...

here is the article with the rules...
http://www.1slowformula.com/gmhtp_bolt-on_article.htm


Shortly after that article was published (within a year or so) Stephen Stumpf (SAR2K) took the record to 11.90's then a year later Shon Herron set it to 11.805 where it remained until this year where a few people are gunning for it. But again according to the rules I would say Tom doesn't technically have it but he definitly took us all by suprise since we didn't think the carb would help that much. I think he should hold the record to the point that it is the fastest bolt-on car so far, but caveat it with the carb'd intake and carb, so that Shon Herron still has the official record. I say this because Tom has done a good job and should be recognized for what he has done but there are not a lot of people who will be swapping out the efi...

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Old May 29, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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John, I'll let others debate that issue. The PM's and calls I've fielded from other members told me that this sort of response would be forthcoming. They also said even if I ran the FI people would still find exception about something just because that is the nature of the beast.

People can argue a thousand different points on what they believe this un-official class to be, I went with the common rules with a twist and that twist (the carb) is one of the most evil creations ever made if you listen to all the exerts boast on how FI is so superior to carbs.

To the person who asked, no this does not have a glide in it.

Mr Norton, I thought about the "cam only" deal, but I still haven't put in my good trans, good convertor, good carb, good exhaust, good rear-end or lightened my car anywhere nearly as much as the others have. So we'll see.

Yes, I have videos and timeslips that I need to figure out how to get into the computer.

Thanks everybody!
Old May 29, 2008 | 01:02 PM
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In a lot of ways, category racing reminds me of all the drama that used to be (likely still exists) within the old school NMCA cars. Now that same mentality still exists with a class known as real street. One can debate it all they like. A 7-second timeslip at 200mph on 10" tires is still impressive.

As is the case with a bolt-on car running 11-anything that from the factory clicked anywhere from 14.0's to 13.9's. Good job man, and just like others have said, there will always be questions on what is considered legit or not when categorizing a car and being the top dog in that category. Myself, just trying to get into the 12's is looking like a long shot, but I'll bet since the motor was rebuilt by the previous owner, regardless of what results I would post, that would be the issue as it is not stock anymore, even though it still houses the factory bumpstick and all factory internals, with the exception of .030" over pistons. It's all gravy.
Old May 29, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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Congratz, been watching for this for some time
Old May 29, 2008 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tomcowle

To the person who asked, no this does not have a glide in it.
My appologies, someone was recently debating this on somone gunning for the record too.

So what intake is on the car? Are you saying it simply performed better because of the carb? Or did it perform better because of an intake swap and the addition of a carb? I know nothing about carbs, but arn't we just talking about limiting how much air and fuel gets into the motor?



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