Why does the A/F ratio @ WOT table zig-zag?
Why does the A/F ratio @ WOT table zig-zag?
I dont have it in front of me at the moment but its rich above "0" around idle then dives below "0" above idle, then its rich, above "0" untill about 4k then dives again for the remainder.
I'm just not sure what the idea is here, as I thought you would want a constant ~12.7-13:1 ratio. Both the stock table and my mail order look this way, also this change (around 4k showed up in my A/F at the dyno, but the car did make good power.
I'm just not sure what the idea is here, as I thought you would want a constant ~12.7-13:1 ratio. Both the stock table and my mail order look this way, also this change (around 4k showed up in my A/F at the dyno, but the car did make good power.
Not exactly sure what you're asking...
The % change vs rpm table could vary as you indicate...but I wouldn't think that would be right. Of the cars I've done on the dyno I've never had a table bounce back and forth/up and down. I've always been adding fuel as rpm increased in order to get the desired a/f ratio that I wanted.
The % change vs rpm table could vary as you indicate...but I wouldn't think that would be right. Of the cars I've done on the dyno I've never had a table bounce back and forth/up and down. I've always been adding fuel as rpm increased in order to get the desired a/f ratio that I wanted.
Here's a stock '95 table
rpm / %change
400 4.7
800 4.7
1200 -0.8
1600 -0.8
2000 0.8
2400 0.8
2800 3.1
3200 0.0
3600 1.6
4000 0.8
4400 2.3
4800 8.6
5200 9.8
5600 6.6
6000 2.7
6400 2.7
6800 2.7
See what I mean, up,down, up, dn.
If closed loop is runing 14.7:1 why does it ever dive below zero?
rpm / %change
400 4.7
800 4.7
1200 -0.8
1600 -0.8
2000 0.8
2400 0.8
2800 3.1
3200 0.0
3600 1.6
4000 0.8
4400 2.3
4800 8.6
5200 9.8
5600 6.6
6000 2.7
6400 2.7
6800 2.7
See what I mean, up,down, up, dn.
If closed loop is runing 14.7:1 why does it ever dive below zero?
Re: Why does the A/F ratio @ WOT table zig-zag?
Originally posted by quicksilver97ta
I dont have it in front of me at the moment but its rich above "0" around idle then dives below "0" above idle, then its rich, above "0" untill about 4k then dives again for the remainder.
I'm just not sure what the idea is here, as I thought you would want a constant ~12.7-13:1 ratio. Both the stock table and my mail order look this way, also this change (around 4k showed up in my A/F at the dyno, but the car did make good power.
I dont have it in front of me at the moment but its rich above "0" around idle then dives below "0" above idle, then its rich, above "0" untill about 4k then dives again for the remainder.
I'm just not sure what the idea is here, as I thought you would want a constant ~12.7-13:1 ratio. Both the stock table and my mail order look this way, also this change (around 4k showed up in my A/F at the dyno, but the car did make good power.
Originally posted by quicksilver97ta
See what I mean, up,down, up, dn.
If closed loop is runing 14.7:1 why does it ever dive below zero?
See what I mean, up,down, up, dn.
If closed loop is runing 14.7:1 why does it ever dive below zero?
As for why it would still change up and down, I've wondered this too.
My table (not stock) takes a dive at 4k rpm from 5.1 to -6.3 at 5.6k rpm. This changed my a/f readings from a steady ~12.0:1 to a steady ~12.5:1 Not much of a change, but I guess percentage wise it seems right.
But why change at all? Does an engine make more power leaning out as rpms climb?
But why change at all? Does an engine make more power leaning out as rpms climb?
Originally posted by quicksilver97ta
My table (not stock) takes a dive at 4k rpm from 5.1 to -6.3 at 5.6k rpm. This changed my a/f readings from a steady ~12.0:1 to a steady ~12.5:1 Not much of a change, but I guess percentage wise it seems right.
But why change at all? Does an engine make more power leaning out as rpms climb?
My table (not stock) takes a dive at 4k rpm from 5.1 to -6.3 at 5.6k rpm. This changed my a/f readings from a steady ~12.0:1 to a steady ~12.5:1 Not much of a change, but I guess percentage wise it seems right.
But why change at all? Does an engine make more power leaning out as rpms climb?
Currently I run 12.2 AFR.
Ben
Originally posted by quicksilver97ta
Ben, Is it a fairly steady 12.2 or is that at your peak hp?
Ben, Is it a fairly steady 12.2 or is that at your peak hp?
My AFR is consistent in the upper RPM (3400 RPM +) range at WOT and does not vary by more than 0.1. I dynoed at 12.8 AFR and then after reprogramming, the next run I dynoed again at 13.3 AFR. I made more torque across the board with the 13.3 AFR. I use 12.2 to eliminate knock, however I am planning on putting a set of colder plugs in and will redyno in late Sept or Oct and see where I can get the best HP with different AFR's.
Hope this helps.
Ben
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