Computer Diagnostics and Tuning Technical discussion on diagnostics and programming of the F-body computers

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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 03:40 PM
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Hey guys just wanted to put this up here for some feedback and suggestions...

I’ve used tunercats and lt1-edit..
They are both good programs, I prefer tunercats... but after thinking it over I decided to put my hand in the pot...
So far it’s looking like this...

Scanner\Editor w/ WB input.
Key features:
Spark tuning <-- working on this one...
PE Tuning
Logging and log import (freescan etc)
User added tables and constants..


If you guys can think of functions or features let me know...

Now I know it nothing that isn’t already out.
But maybe w/ "scene" input this can become just what is needed..

and ill be making a webpage when i get a chance..


later
Old Aug 14, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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User added tables and constants...

How do you add tables and such when you are limited to what the computer has? You can't just 'upload' new tables into the pcm and hope the computer will magically look at them and say, oh, I use this!

Don't take this as a flame or anything... But what your talking about is FAR from easy... and would require VERY intense software testing and QA...

What are your qualifications to write such a program?

Again, not a flame, just not wanting to waste time going into everything when the outcome is just not possible

And also, would you charge for this, or give it away for free?

thanks,

jeff
Old Aug 14, 2003 | 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by JeffK95Z
User added tables and constants...

How do you add tables and such when you are limited to what the computer has? You can't just 'upload' new tables into the pcm and hope the computer will magically look at them and say, oh, I use this!

Don't take this as a flame or anything... But what your talking about is FAR from easy... and would require VERY intense software testing and QA...

What are your qualifications to write such a program?

Again, not a flame, just not wanting to waste time going into everything when the outcome is just not possible

And also, would you charge for this, or give it away for free?

thanks,

jeff
He probably meant adding tables that are not in the software but which are existing in the PCM. (example, some tables like forced TCC threshold that was just recently added in tunercat).

BTW, Tunercat has this feature already with the TDF Editor in case you didn't know.
Old Aug 14, 2003 | 06:07 PM
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Madwolf had it right...
There are still tables and constants in the PCM that have not been located...
And I was thinking it would be nice not to have to use a different program to add them...

I’m not knocking tunercats or lt1-edit...
They both fill a void that we had/have when mod'in our rides.
And i’m sure i’m not as good of a PCM hacker as the guys from tunercats of carputing... but from growing up around cars and computers i wanted to get a little more flexability.

For example, lt1-edit is locked to 1 VIN... and is a little more expensive then tunercats...

Tunercats isn't locked but is not designed just for lt1s...

Thanks madwolf for the help

Later

EDIT:
I have been programming in c/c++ since I was in high school
I have been into modifying and tuning the lt1's since late 01' when I install one in my 92 RS...
And I have been disassembling BIN files (bios, smartcards, etc) for a good bit of time now...

As far as charging for it or not. I don’t know yet.

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Old Aug 14, 2003 | 08:49 PM
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ahhh, of course... sorry

But yes, I'm all up for new programs

Is there a way to scan the pcm, for ALL tables and such?

I havn't looked into it at all... I just accept whats given to us via tunercat and lt1edit, hehe
Old Aug 14, 2003 | 11:20 PM
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You've got to go thru the hex code to find the tables. It's not like there's a label that says "this is a table".
Old Aug 15, 2003 | 12:06 AM
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I figured that much But if its not too difficult to get at the hex, it wouldn't be hard at all to convert it to ascii and see what's in there... I have no experience with such low level devices at all however...

also, for anyone looking to write their own logging software, or see how it works... Freescan, Andy's program is open source and I believe he has it on source forge!

I'll definately be checking out those communication protocols when I have some time!
Old Aug 15, 2003 | 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by JeffK95Z
I figured that much But if its not too difficult to get at the hex, it wouldn't be hard at all to convert it to ascii...
You mean disassemble the hex to get the code.
Old Aug 15, 2003 | 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by madwolf
He probably meant adding tables that are not in the software but which are existing in the PCM. (example, some tables like forced TCC threshold that was just recently added in tunercat).

BTW, Tunercat has this feature already with the TDF Editor in case you didn't know.
where is the forced TCC threshold at and where is the TDF editor
Old Aug 15, 2003 | 11:42 AM
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If you have the hex values, can't you just convert it to ascii?

Again, I know little of hex... Aside from working with text files, and looking at them in hex editors to find funky hidden characters

Jeff


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