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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 12:06 AM
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Anybody else doing OBDII tuning besides Carputing (LT1edit LS1edit)?

I would like to know who else has the ability to reflash an OBDII GM PCM...

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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 12:18 AM
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Re: Anybody else doing OBDII tuning besides Carputing (LT1edit LS1edit)?

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I would like to know who else has the ability to reflash an OBDII GM PCM...

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Right now carputing has the only software I know of for obdii. I've heard Tunercat well have a obdii def file in March of this year.
Old Jan 7, 2003 | 12:19 AM
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Its not just a def file... They need a cable that has the ability to do block transfer and 4x speed...

The bb-elec cable works for 4x speed but no block transfer...

No cable.. no program...

I understand that carputing deciphered the cable the hard way...
Old Jan 7, 2003 | 07:08 PM
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The cable/hardware to communicate with the PCM is a standard SAE protocol. I would think the hardware to communicate would be the easiest thing to develop. The hard part would be mapping out the PCM.
Old Jan 7, 2003 | 09:44 PM
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actually no... It is not a simple protocol.. The diagnostic part is, since it is a standard... but to write to the PCM it is not a standard per se and the cable has to be developed... If you can find out about a cable that can do the block transfer and the 4x speed I will gladly appreciate it
Old Feb 11, 2003 | 11:14 PM
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Cable/Hardware is the easy part. the protocol and command and control of the pcm is a software issue.
Old Feb 12, 2003 | 03:52 PM
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Get me the hardware and I'll have the software ready... where can I get the hardware that can communicate correctly to do reading and writing to the flash of the pcm and we will be set with a software vin unlocked... lmk
Old Feb 12, 2003 | 08:56 PM
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Have you asked the DIY EFI guys yet?
Old Feb 12, 2003 | 09:35 PM
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Highlander I am not sure of the exact specs of the ALDL but I am certain it is just another Serial communications link similar to many Serial I/O devices available in the Electronics market now. Kind of like an ISO Smart card. Probably a Bi-directional Serial I/O line, clock, VCC, Ground. I am guessing at this but someone somewhere should have this data. I just looked through my Haynes and cant find anything on the ALDL connector.
Old Feb 12, 2003 | 10:00 PM
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No its not similar... it must go into 4x mode (41.6kbps) and It must do block transfers...

Its not a simple harness..
Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:45 PM
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I recently asked TunerCat via email, and they said they are working on it and should have it out in a month or two! Yay!
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:14 AM
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Can you be a little more specific... ie what do you mean by 4x mode being 41.6kbps?? and by block transfers i assume you mean that the interface will transfer information in 1k or so blocks. Do you have a wiring diagram for the connector showing the lines description? or anything related to the ALDL for OBDII. I can recall thinking that OBDII is standardized across all manufacturers. So that would lead me to the assumption that there is information out on the net on communication parameters. I have been a hardware integrator for a number of years and can make any technology adaptations work. I found a couple of references to OBDII specifications manuals by the SAE. Look at this link and tell me what you think

Link 1 this is the 1999 version

Link 2 this is the 2003 version



I can see from some other specs i have found that the communications packets are very similar to an older technology i used several years ago called a Motorola S-Record Communcations protocol that was used by a CNC Machine Tool I was servicing, basically they consist of a variable length "packet"
that contains header, data, and a checksum. Within the header there is data that sets up the data length, types, etc.

Another reference I found is at this
Link to B&B OBDII specs

I have not spent a ton of time researching this stuff But I am curious as to what you are looking for, are you a software guru?. are you interested in developing a OBDII programming interface? Or just looking for an alternative to shelling out $550.00 for LT1_Edit for OBDII. I can make the hardware it is a "simple" thing for me. The software side is not for me though as I hate writing code. Talk to ya later, I am gonna turn in for the night.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 01:03 AM
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I recently asked TunerCat via email, and they said they are working on it and should have it out in a month or two! Yay!
Sweet! Haven't seen you here around much lately!?
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 10:39 AM
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Hey Will! I've been around reading, just not posting as much (haven't had much to contribute lately).

You guys can email tc@tunercat.com for more info on their OBDII tuner that I mentioned.
Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:22 PM
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Well to update this thread, I have come up with a OBDII communications circuit design that is relatively inexpensive, and very impressive. It is designed to work with all three OBDII comm protocols, PWM (Ford), VPW (GM,Chrysler), and ISO-9141-2(european/asian). The hardware should not cost too much and is based on a PIC microprocessor. and a LM339 Quad comparator. a few transistors, voltage reg., caps, and resistors, it will communicate with a serial pc through a 3 wire connection (no handshaking). It will communicate with the PCM through the ALDL. If anyone is interested in more details drop me an email. I would like to see if we can develop a program of our own to tune an OBDII vehicle. Of course the F-body would be first on my list



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