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Old Jun 3, 2003 | 08:52 PM
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69 1/4 mile times?

I swas trying to look up 69 camaro quarter mile times and stumbled upon this page. I just had delivered my new 69 RS camaro (Bought it off Ebay). The car is real nice , it is an original #'s matching stock 350ci engine 2 barrel 4spd with 255 horsepower (from factory). The guy I bought it from added an
Edelbrock 600cfm carb, with Edelbrock Performer manifold. Brand new Richmond T-10 4 spd tranny, with Hurst super comp shifter. Hooker headers with new duall exhaust system. It's a 10 bolt posi with 3:73 gears. Anyway my question is what is the ball park range if you had to guess (Approx) this car should run in the Quarter mile. Reason I ask is I just got it 2 days ago and a buddy of mine was instantly pestering me to run it using this G tech thing he bought for his mustang. Its a little thing you plug in your cigarette lighter and its supposed to tell you your quarter mile time,0-60 and hp and stuff based on the cars weight and something to do with G's. So I ran it today and I dont know too much but I thoght it would do better then it did. I dont want to reveal what it ran until i can get some responses here. My second question is are these tihing accurate at all? I thought the car would be alot quicker then it did but maybe i was expecting to much. Any help or guesses of what it should run and not what it did run would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cazz
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 09:08 PM
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probably in the 15's range on a good day...255 hp isn't a lot when it comes to a steel body
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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I would expect mid to high 15's with that engine stock. But since it's modified maybe mid to low 15's. But if it hasn't been tuned properly, you might actually lose power since it was an original 2bbl engine.
Old Jun 3, 2003 | 09:21 PM
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Thats what I was thinking high to low 15's. We ran it 5 times and best was 16.98 and 17.2's consistanty. I drove it three times him twice. I got the best time. I thought for sure that it should do a little better then that. Now on to my next question. Obviosly im not happy with 17's, what can I do to get it to the 13.5 -14 range. Any ideas? also any ideas on how much it will cost to get it there? And is that considered pretty fast with out making it a race car. It's all stock looking and I want to keep it that way. Thanks for the quick answers and any help in the future. Cazz
Old Jun 4, 2003 | 01:31 AM
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Thats what I was thinking high to low 15's. We ran it 5 times and best was 16.98 and 17.2's consistanty. I drove it three times him twice. I got the best time. I thought for sure that it should do a little better then that. Now on to my next question. Obviosly im not happy with 17's, what can I do to get it to the 13.5 -14 range. Any ideas? also any ideas on how much it will cost to get it there? And is that considered pretty fast with out making it a race car. It's all stock looking and I want to keep it that way. Thanks for the quick answers and any help in the future. Cazz
Have your heads machined, and while your heads are off do a cam swap. Prolly want to look into a new intake too.
Old Jun 4, 2003 | 08:19 AM
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That's really bad for a car with 3.73 gears regardless of the engine. There is something wrong with the engine combination. Maybe the 4 bbl isn't opening properly. Do a basic tune up and check the timing, look at the spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor, etc. Bone stock, a 69 Camaro SS350 with 300 hp is good for low 15's to high 14's so a 250hp engine should still be good for mid to high 15's. Unless you put some information into the G-tech wrong like the gears or tire size.
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Thanks for the input guy's. All the G tech asked for is the cars weight witch I put in 3420 Car is 3050 according to regi and 190 for me and 180 for my friend. I think that G tech thing stinks. Must noy have been reading correct. As you might be able to tell I was not to happy seeing the camaro running 16.9 to 17's. So I tried it on my other car a 2000 Lincoln Ls (bone Stock) and I got a 15.5 in the rain. And the camaro feels a bit quicker. So I definately think something was wrong. Anyway in a realistic way is it possble if I was to change the intake/ carb setup and have the heads opened up and done to 202 i think instead of 194 and put in a different cam could I be in that 13.5-14 range. Just so you know the reason I want to be in that range is cause my buddys mustang runs 14.2 constantly at the track and I want to be able to beat him. I am very happy to have found this message board. Seems like there alot of cool people here who know what there taslking about. Thanks Much Cazz

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Old Jun 4, 2003 | 01:54 PM
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I would think so. But really with an old car like that, they spit out a whole lot of power stock. They just have far outdated suspensions. Although I still think you should to the upper engine work, you will probably see bigger 1/4 gains with some well placed suspension mods and drag radials.
Old Jun 5, 2003 | 11:22 AM
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I think you're off on the weight of the car. It's probably closer to 3200-3400 lbs without you and your friend. You have to put the tire size in as well, don't you?
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This paticular G-teck doesn't ask for tire size. I think you might be right with the weight thing maybe we had the wrong weight programed in. Actually now that I think about it my friend set that up so I don't even know what he put. Maybee it was sabatoge on his part to freak me out. Im gonna try it out again as soon as I can (It's been raining alot here). On to my latest obssesion. What would be some recomendations to get this puppy to run solid 13's? Cause I think thats my goal right now. I dont want to make a rocket out of it and I think 13's would be fast enough for me. I went on to see what a stock Z06 Corvette does and according to the Chevy website it will do 12.4@116mph and a stock regular Vette will do 13.22@109mph. I would ultimately like to be right around 13 flat. Just being able to take the regular Vette. I know it's impossible for anyone of you to tell me exactly what to do to get it to run 13 flat. But you guys seem to know a hell of alot more then I do. So any suggestions would be awsome. Im so excited just thinking about trying to get this camaro to run in the 13 range. Anxiously waiting for responses. Thanks again Cazz
Old Jun 5, 2003 | 02:37 PM
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Well what do you know about the motor other than its numbers matching? I mean when is the last time its been rebuilt? I wouldt think that with a few suspension mods Im not very good with suspension get someone else to help with that. A cam, headwork, headers and exhaust, and some good tires would get you around where you wanna be.

But thats assuming the motor is fresh.
Old Jun 5, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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Congrats on your car! got any pictures?

Im gonna try it out again as soon as I can (It's been raining alot here).
HAH. Sorry that's the only reason I wanted to reply to your post! I'm From NJ, and this weather blows! isn't this like the third week of rain we are having? I mean granted, a few days here and there were nice, but still a crap load of rain! I can't even take my car out to drive :/

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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 03:14 PM
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Sorry no pictures yet. I got to get my camera back from my sister. I have no idea when the motor was done or what was done to it. I have been thinkink it over since my last post and think im just gonna leave the car alone and forget about trying to making it faster. I Would love for it to go as fast as it looks nice but I don't know...
Everyone looks at it when it I drive it, so I should be happy.
It just dosent make sense to spend $2000.00 more just to go a little faster. And knowone can promisse me I can get it to were I want to be with those mods anyway. Who knows maybe ill change my mind again and decide to have the heads redone and change the cam, intake /carb. I definately thank anyone who responded. And would like to hear more oppinions. Should I go for it or leave it? save money and be happy? Who knows this stuff can drive someone crazy. Thanks Cazz
Old Jun 6, 2003 | 06:11 PM
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The weight of the car on the gtech only matters for hp and not et or mph..
The gtech is within a tenth or so of the track et and about 5mph higher than track et although your car really is going
the g tech mph ,the track reads lower because of averaging last 60ft.
You car is very slow for that power range
but it could easily be traction problems with those 3.73. The g tech doesn't give the critical 60ft time so we can't see how bad that first 60ft is on your car.

I have a mild 400 in my 80ta..a small edelbrock 600,dual exhaust and dynomax,no cat converters..no cam and
stock intake as far as I know..I got the engine with the car without any info.
I ran three in a row consistent 15.10 to 15.20 with 94 to 96mph with around 2.47
60fts. I did run a 16.7 by letting the car shift itself.I ran the 15.1 by shifting manually at 5000 to 5500rpm. My downshift isn't hooked up and the tranny was shifting at like 3000 at wot in drive..Also not sure but think I have only 3.08 or 2 series gears.I get almost zero wheelspin even when brake torquing the car. Stock tas ran mid 15s I think I read with the 400 engine.
My car has the air taken off but otherwise stock weight and the 400 is heavier than 350 chevy I think and my car weighed 3675 full tank of gas me out.not light. Also I am at 1900 feet altitude.This hurts like 3 tenths and 3mph or more.
For comparison with my estimated 450hp at the engine 99taws6 so far best has been a 13.35 at 109mph or so with a 2.27 60ft.These times are on a tazzo vpc and the mph is dead on the same as track mph and the et is usually within a tenth.
If you really want way better times assuming your engine is running right..
then you need drag radial type tires.
Stall converters are great in autos like 2500 to 3000 stall..you already have lots of gear..and then its time for headers..cam..better heads and or nos,etc. I still think you should be getting low to mid 15's for sure unless you are like at 5000 feet above seal level.Check fuel pressure with gauge,,change fuel filters..change plugs..check that all wires are on..
set timing play with advance curves..
thats about it and if still in doubt time to check compression ,leakdown etc.
but again if you let the car shift and you have no kickdown and it shifts at 3000 rpm like mine there is your problem.
Old Jun 6, 2003 | 07:58 PM
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Thanks for your input. I ran today and got best 16.6. Car is a 4 spd. Traction is a big issue I think. I come out of the hole as fast as I can without spinng the tires and I think thats were it sucks. Too slow. The car already has Hooker headers and a brand new exhaust with Floormasters. Im gonna bring it down to the neighborhood race place the guy over there is supposed to be great. Im gonna let him look it over. Several other people told me that the car should definately be in the low to mid even high 15's. It could be that the 4 barrel is not opening up soon enough or posibly not at all. Timing could be way off. I dont think the motor is all that tight. Something definately wrong and im gonna have the guy find out. Im toying with the idea of doing the motor over but its a 2 bolt main and my friends says if your gonna do it get a 4 bolt main.Im even thinking of a whole new motor. One that is built to run and do what i want. Can I get a 350 to run 13 sec? whats up with a 383 stroker? or am I gonna have to go to a big block 396,427,454,502? I am in such a pissy mood cause I can't decide if I should just leave it the way it is or go for something better. Hate to sound like a cry baby but it feels good to have an outlet like this site to come to, cause my family dont want to hear about this damn car anymore. Cazz



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