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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

It seems that there are more and more indications that the '07 Cobra will NOT have an IRS. According to the rumor mill.....this is not by Ford's/SVT's , choice. Ford had every intention of equipping Cobras with IRS, (maybe still does). The issue is engineering.

Ford is having trouble engineering an IRS that won't break in the Cobra.

Frankly, I'd be hard pressed to spend $40K on a car which can only go in a straight line.

BTW, did you know that the Mustang's front suspension is based off the Mazda3?
http://www.searchspaniel.com/index.p...d_D2C_platform
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

That just seems odd to me that the Ford engineers can't develope an IRS that will not break. Chevy can do it with the Corvette (ZO6) so why can't Ford? I guess the only reason would be that the cost would be so high that it places the car far outside the projected price point.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:40 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

I guess at least it speaks well for the amount of power the thing will be putting out if it's snapping half shafts like string.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:55 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

I've seen both normal C5s and C5 Z06s break half-shafts on the track with sticky tires, so they are not unbreakable. However, I think it is obvious that the Ford IRS has a much more common issue with breakage.

Regardless, being of the drag racing persuasion, I love the live axle. Bring it on!
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

I wonder how this would go over in the Mustang community. Drag racers will rejoice, but let's remember how our 4th Gens were put down as "antiques" in the 20th century with our setups.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 01:04 PM
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In my book as long as it still can hold it's own on a road course live axle is fine by me. The ride comfort between the two is pretty neglible in my book.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

I think you have found "old news".
Last reports are that the Cobra will have live axle standard and IRS optional.
Ford does/can make an IRS to handle 475hp - not really a problem, given the developmental work done on the Ford GT, the Shelby Cobra Coupe, and the GR1, all of which boast more than the estimated 500 FWHP Cobra.

The trick will be making it affordable and light weight while fitting into the D2C platform.

My bets are on both types being available.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 02:13 PM
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I think they'll be some sort of option like pony said.

I couldn't care either way as long as the Cobra takes turns pretty well. Ride quality and such were never a real concern for me.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

From what I understand the IRS tests they did showed that it significantly reduced chasis regidity. It ended up almost equal with the last gen mustang.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 10:21 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

I'm curious how a suspension component affects chassis rigidity
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

actually, thats what i read too.. in Motortrend? it didn't make any sense to me either, but then again I don't know too much about the subject.


perhaps how the IRS needs to be mounted up, would put more stress/different stress on points of the chassis, which would need to be beefed up to handle it, since you no longer have a solid rear axle somewhat balancing out the loads? LIke perhaps there's no good place to solidly mount the center diff in place without adding lots of extra bracing?

or simply they don't have a parts bin IRS that will take the abuse, that would cleanly fit in the back of the Mustang without major cutting and mods..
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 11:47 PM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

A Ford 8.8 IRS has a hell of a lot more strength than any transaxle GM has on any car.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 07:04 AM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

Originally Posted by Ken S
perhaps how the IRS needs to be mounted up, would put more stress/different stress on points of the chassis, which would need to be beefed up to handle it, since you no longer have a solid rear axle somewhat balancing out the loads? LIke perhaps there's no good place to solidly mount the center diff in place without adding lots of extra bracing?

or simply they don't have a parts bin IRS that will take the abuse, that would cleanly fit in the back of the Mustang without major cutting and mods..

Maybe no IRS due to the fact the Lincoln LS might not go on D2C?


(I quoted the wrong persons post first time round)

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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 12:57 PM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

Originally Posted by Larnach
A Ford 8.8 IRS has a hell of a lot more strength than any transaxle GM has on any car.
The 03/04 cobra IRS was nothing special. They were not that strong and wheel hop was a major issue.
Old Feb 20, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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Re: Wonder what happened to the Cobra's IRS?

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
I've seen both normal C5s and C5 Z06s break half-shafts on the track with sticky tires, so they are not unbreakable. However, I think it is obvious that the Ford IRS has a much more common issue with breakage.

Regardless, being of the drag racing persuasion, I love the live axle. Bring it on!
Right you are Bob. The design intent for the rear suspension for Corvette isn't aimed for sticky tire, hi RPM launchs that is a strong part of sixty footing in drag racing.

I'm sure Ford is looking at money and customer expectation. Maybe they see wisdom in offering the drag racing customer that isn't all the attuned to handling advantages of IRS what is better suited and less a warranty liability. It's a profit incentive. I don't think the last Cobra's appeal had much to do with handling. I see it as a smart move on Ford's part.



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