they rally the accent, not the tuscani/tiburon. Everytime I look at that car (the current, 3rd generation) It just seems like it SHOULD have been rwd. them going to RWD, even if they were to keep the somewhat weak V6 of the current GTs would make them a very popular car for the tuner market now. the scene is drifting towards well...drifting. something cheap (a well optioned GT can be had for 22), thats RWD with decent power and isnt a mustang would likely be a huge hit. If they can maintain the pricepoint the car is at now when they go to the 4th gens, and the V6 (or 8...) isnt overpriced, then expect to see a LOT of these little korean coupes around.

 

That's my point. A larger Challenger is more acceptable to me.

 

challengers were always bigger than the other pony cars were. i think they should build a bigger than mustang/camaro car. it would put it into the GTOs territory.

 

So. it's OK for Dodge to do exactly what you don't want GM to do... and you'd buy it over the Chevy even if it were the same basic thing??

 

Yes.

 

 

I think what z284ever is getting at is that if Dodge does build the Challenger, they are going to build it however well they can build it, and that will probably entail the LX platform, as they don't have any other low buck platforms to build it on. If GM came out with a fat heavy Camaro, it would be unacceptable, as they have had a chance to do things right on this car, and they would have blundered it. At least that is what I can make of it.

If GM's pony car has made us wait all this time, and came out short of expectations, I wouldn't want to buy it either.

 

Well I'm not going to bash you but...

Those equinox's and their sisters are all made primarily in the asian area, i think 60% percent of the car comes from over seas (according to the sticker) both chinese tranny and engine, and I'm sure much of the accesories also. Perhaps just the chassis is built here?

but the cost of labor to the cost of a car is miniscule... now if GM didnt have to pay for health insurance, thats something different, but labor is cheap!
and it just hurts everyone when you as a customer would rather cut 1 man a job that pays 30$ an hour (60k$ job (america) a year) w/ medical benifits, to a 5$'s a day (1300 a year) no benifits, no job security(mexico). okay talk about globalization! And just because you want to save a couple of bucks... just because you'd like to cut maybe 500$ bucks off the total price of your car? Now sure America doesnt pay their auto workers the best in the world, but we are third best, behind Germany, and Japan. hell on a 60 month loan having the car built buy a minimum cost basis might save you 10$ a month

 

Well sort of. We've waited a long time. And that's ok...I'm very patient...as long as I get what I want in the end. I kind of want Camaro to be right on though. So there's that...


But also, if we talk about the classic Challenger (1970-1974), it was a larger car than Camaro. The Chrysler E-bodies were based off of larger car architectures. That was part of their DNA. Camaro...on the other hand... was based off of a small car architecture.

If the new Camaro and new Challenger end up about the same size, the Challenger may be more palatable to me.

BTW think about this.....

What if the 1967 Camaro wasn't loosely based on the small car, 1968 X-car architecture....and instead was based on the 1968 Impala? Would any of us be here, in this forum, today?

 

I don't mean this as a bash to you, but....

You will not like the new Camaro no matter what. You will find something to pass on it.

Just as the non-bench rear seat takes GTO off your list (if this takes GTO off your list... how can you even consider a Camaro??)... you'll find something. Even if it is OK on a competitors car, and then you'd go and buy that.

Let's not kid ourselves... when was the last time you bought a new Camaro? We all know how much you dislike the 4th Gen... so... I dunno. Seems like you wave the "I'm the ultimate Camaro fan" flag an awful lot... but really haven't liked them for a long time... and will find something...anything... to keep that up...

Again, I want to stress that I am not trying to bash you... just pointing out the way it honestly looks.

 

Bash away.............

 

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That was a very Buickman-like answer...

Defelect all the points in the post. C'mon.

When WAS the last time you bought a new Camaro?

Why WOULD you even consider a Camaro if the GTO gets taken off your list because of no rear bench seat?

Why WOULD you spend your money on the same car if it came from Dodge but not Chevy?!

 

Hyundai is almost as bad as a KIA.

 

Do you actually read any posts before you cherry pick a word or two to take out of context? Doesn't look like it to me. I think if you would actually read a post...you wouldn't have to ask me the same questions over and over again...after I've given you my reasons for them.

No wonder Redzed used to f**k with your head...you could never produce any cogent argument for anything.

Maybe I'm just not in a good mood this morning and I'm being alittle hard on you, but believe, I'm trying to restrain myself.

 

I am aware that not all of GM's car are built in the US or Canada. Thats why I said most. My original point was not to nitpick where their cars are built, or the politics for doing so, just to make an observation on someone's post.
GM's business is their business. They may be shipping alot of their work overseas, but they can't pay anyone anything if they aren't a business anymore. At this point GM doesn't have the luxury of being choosy about where they want their work done, they just need to keep their cars competitve and cheap.