Couldn't have said it better!

 

I think it's ugly as sin.....and it looks like a bloated PT-cruiser, which is not a good thing.

I'd be surprised if it cracked the 100k mark.

 

Yeah...but what the hell...nothing new to Chevy.

 

Someone buy this man a beer! Thank you.

Chris and guionM-Sure I am performance minded,BUT it is not how I ended up on this site. Between me and my wife in the past 5.8 years there have been the following vehicles purchased and or leased..
99-4 cylinder ranger
99-mustang 6 banger
99-v6 cougar
00-SVT Contour
01-Cobra
02-F150 Supercrew
04-Cobra
04-Marauder

So please don't try and say I am not part of the buying public.

The 04 Mercury 4cyl. Mariner, My sister just picked up...How do you think pointed and schooled her to making this wise purchase over a base XLS Escape? You guessed it.

Again pointing out the fact that I know a good vehicle when I see one.

 

I think the HHR is a bit of overkill in the Chevy SUV dept. I don't think it will sell 100K units a year, I think the Equinox has a better chance of doing that.

 

I guess the next election I'll go to a Green party site, take a poll and then assume the results apply to the whole population....

That's the parallel to what goes on around here.

 

Again, someone missing my point. Everybody wants to be the exception to the rule around here. The supercrew F150 is the only vehicle in that stack I'd consider a mass-market vehicle. Everything else you've ever bought has been specialty/niche cars. You are NOT representative of the buying public at large.

I never said you weren't part of the buying public. You have bought some cars, so obviously you are a part of the buying public.

I am saying most people here do not reflect the typical/average car buyer. Your tastes are different, you knowledge levels about cars are different, the kinds of cars you shop for and appeal to you are NOT the same as what most of the public shops for. Opinions here cannot be taken as being representative of the majority of car buyers out there. Why is this so difficult to get?

If you were an auto exec and the only automotive info or news you ever got was from this board, you'd have a pretty myopic view of what buyers want. GuionM hit the nail on the head, we are at best 10% of the buyers at large, hardly the "typical" buyer.

 

S-Crew is the only mass market vehicle??? Ranger sells over 100K,V6 Mustangs sold right around 100K,And one point I do not think I pointed out clearly.. A car/truck/suv is what it is. SVT is a trim level of a car/truck that is still mass produced is it not? When you look up "sales" figures does it matter what trim level sold more? Example Lets just say chevy has a (made this up) HHR-SS and the standard [i]HHR[i], Should the sales figure of lets say, PLay along with me now.. If Chevy sold 45K of a HHR-SS (made it up) and 65K of the standard HHR, Does that mean they ONLY sold 65K HHR's? And did not hit the target of 100K? (Its pretty early in the AM as I post this. If you get confused by my post,I don't blame ya. )

Chris, I am expressing my thoughts, Please do not get to upset.

 

I'm not upset, at you or anyone in particular, I am just frustrated with the general condition of the members here at large.

You have a point about the Ranger, I missed it in the list. But the point is still VERY valid, you have bought vehicles, so you are a part of the buying public, but you are not the average or typical buyer. Your tastes skew more toward niche versions, even if they are based on popular vehicles.

The Lightning is still just an F150, but its fair to say that 4000 units per year vs half a million other F150s, that Lightning buyers are not your typical F150 owner. If ford changed all F150s to be what lightning owners want, the sales would tank, because there just aren't enough high-po buyers out there to support 500,000 units a year. You screw all the farmers and contractors out of a useful work truck.

Same thing with any other vehicle. For every performance Mustang buyer there's at least 3 that just want a "sporty" "fun" coupe that will get them where they are going.

This is the exact reason it seems a lot of people here never understood how critical the V6 model is to Camaro success...because we can't think like a non-enthusiast.

 

I am sure you tried to answer this in your post, Could you please post a comment on thee above?

 

I don't care to answer a hypothetical of that nature. If there was an HHRSS that sold 45% of total HHR production, and you bought one, that still doesn't mean you or anyone else here is representative of the typical HHR buyer or even the typical HHR SS buyer.

I would say you'd be closer to the average HHRSS buyer but how do we know? Its a pretty big leap to assume a dozen or so people in one forum of one website represent the buying intentions of 200 million people.

Sure if you boil it down we can get to a point where the opinions here are pretty representative. But how do we even know you are representative of the typical SVT Contour buyer? The question cannot be answered with anecdotal evidence.

 

I clearly understand that one sole message board cannot make a automaker change its mind about a product because of one site or heck even all of them.

The FACT is.. You cannot say wether or not people on this board are not typical of buying whatever vehicle. Becasue that is CLEARLY hypothetical...

Ok, Time is up. The pissin' match is over-I'm soaked, Your soaked. Have a Happy New Year, And here is to great wealth and health in 05 man! <<Man I like this one!

 

So there are 40,000 members on this site? How many of them post here? Probably less than 10000 regularly (a hypothetical assumption). What about others? Some come here for information, maybe post some questions once in a while. One thing is that currently the average public is more tech-savvy than it was even 5 years ago. Most everyone has internet at home now, and more and more people from the average public have easy access to online information. So while we (especially the ones who post here so regularly ) are not part of the average buying public, members of this board as a whole may not be that far away either.


I, for one, welcome our GM overlords. I said something similar earlier. GM would not survive if it catered their products to our wants.

 

Oh I definitely appreciate GM people peeking in on us, but they'd be wise to take everything here in its proper context and perspective.