Yeah the Camaro is gone for the next five years,what's wrong with the GTO? A GM 2-door with real-wheel drive and a LS1? I don't understand why all you guys are crying because the F-body is gone, the GTO should be an improvement!

 

Well, for one the GTO is going to cost more than most, if not all, F-Bodies.

Secondly, the GTO is more of a full-size family-style car with great power, than a sports-type car that the F-body was.

Thirdly, you can't get T-Tops on a GTO.

I could go on...

 

This is the main thing. I doubt GTOs will go for much less than $40k.

 

Price and availability are two big points, but the GTO and the F-body are two completely different animals, as different today as they were when they co-existed 30-35 years ago. The new GTO will be a great car but it doesn't have the attitude or "free-spiritedness" of the F-body. If that makes sense.



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Mark

94 Z28, Red, A4, 3:23
Lone Mods--LPE CAI, !Lapeer Dragway.

Best time: 14.658 @ 95.1
with SES light on and Driver off! (First and only time at track)

The F-body will NEVER die.

 

what they said..

I hope GM keeps it around the $35k range..

I actually like the GTO (although the looks i'm sometimes on the fence on)..

My main complaint is that its heavier than an f-body, although thats not too bad since its more of a near lux car..

 

The only thing I don't like about the GTO over the f-body is cost and weight. I do like the idea of more interior room in the GTO. If the GTO started at $25,000 and was 3300lbs. I'd say F-body who?

 

Let us not forget the gas guzzle tax

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Stock 96Z28 all opt. ex.t-tops

 

How about "not available in Canada".

 

where did you read that it would be subject to a gas guzzler tax?????????

 

Here's what I like about the GTO. It will
be shorter with less overhang. It will have
room in the back seat. It will have IRS.
It will only be about
150 lbs heavier than the Firebird.

It should be no more expensive than a WS6
Trans Am (maybe even a bit less).

Ultimately, it would be nice to have the
choice of both, as in the 1967-1972 period.
But things are different now, and people
should be happy to have the GTO.

By the time they're done with the engine
mods, it should be the fastest stock GTO
ever.

jeremy

 

There was an article in Aotomotive News (if I remember right) in which Bob Lutz said that GTO is likely to fall just inside the gas guzzler tax (my guess is because it won't have the "skip shift" feature on the 6 speed, and its going to be beefed up to 350HP).

However, it won't be bad, the tax is progressive. In GTO's case it will be a few hundred dollars (or roughly 1% of it's purchase price).

I still intend to get one unless the dealers start gouging like they did with the special edition Trans Am ($45,000 in National City 2 months ago!! )

 

I am of the opinion that the importation of the "new" GTO will put the last nail in the coffin of General Motor's musclecar portfolio.

1. Offering any production car with the "gas guzzler" penalty should be a source of shame for GM.

2. There has never been a successful Australian produced vehicle imported to the United States.

3. The basis of the car's design is well over 5 years old! Holden's VT line wasn't that attractive when it was introduced, and it hasn't improved.

This car is outdated, unproven, and downright undesirable. The 2003 GTO will be inferior to any potential competitor. Regretably, it must be conceded that even the current Mustang GT will be cheaper and more efficient. In all likelihood, the Mustang will even be quicker.

The car to beat in the upcoming model year won't be the "antique roadshow" from Ford, but the 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe. Judging by the current sedan version, this car will be the benchmark in terms of performance, affordability, practicality and styling. Unless GM can develope a convincing competitor, Lutz should cancel the ill advised GTO revival.

 

Woah woah. According to whom? People that have actually seen or driven the Monaro in Australia, like guionM, have raved about its tight feel, good interior ergonomics and impressive performance. The car is probably considered "older" in Australia, because it's been out a few years, but to the American market it is a fantastic "new" car for GM.

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Mark

94 Z28, Red, A4, 3:23
Lone Mods--LPE CAI, !Lapeer Dragway.

Best time: 14.658 @ 95.1
with SES light on and Driver off! (First and only time at track)

The F-body will NEVER die.

 

I've heard plenty of testimonials for the Holden Monaro from overly excited automotive enthusiasts. The problem is that the product being touted is sub-par at best, and at worst,dreadful. If you actually read the recent American magazine articles concerning the Monaro and other Holdens, you'd find that their braking, acceleration, design, and/or build quality are greatly lacking to some degree.

GM should kill plans for the importation of the Holden Monaro (aka "GTO") immediately. It just doesn't make business sense for GM to market the current car in this market. I can only hope that a redesigned Monaro would be a far better prospect.

 

Infinity G35 says: "Lets copy that Cadillac CTS grill"