Automotive News / Industry / Future Vehicle Discussion Automotive news and discussion about upcoming vehicles
View Poll Results: What is to blame for GM's market losses
'ignorant' "import" buyers
5
9.62%
Unions
4
7.69%
Not making things people want
18
34.62%
Quality issues/trust
17
32.69%
Other
8
15.38%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 1, 2006 | 02:25 AM
  #1  
mr00jimbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,238
From: Wet Coast
Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

If you could get mad at one person/thing what would it be?
Lots of people sneer at "import enthusiasts" (which is a BS term to be thrown around since I am warey of the reliability of most 'import' companies)

Or you could blame the unions? Or past quality issues? management? building cars nobody wants to buy? Whadya think?
Old May 1, 2006 | 06:30 AM
  #2  
guionM's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Forgot choices for:

* Purposely walked away from passenger cars in favor of SUVs and Trucks.
* Lost momemtum in the 90s by focusing on profits instead of models.


But if you REALLY want to get an idea why GM lost market share, ask yourself one simple question:

Would GM be better or worse off if Smith and Zarella were still running or influencing decision making at GM? If Wagoner hadn't brought in Lutz, Nesbitt, and various other people from all areas of the car business, and stood firm with critics by sticking to a product based plan instead of chopping divisions or fixing the bottom line immediately, could GM have any chance of regaining market share??

Saying unions and import buyers are reasons for GM's market share decrease IMO is a cop-out.

Chrysler's 300 doesn't need excuses (best selling car in it's class), Chevy's Corvette (world's best selling 2 passenger sports car) doesn't need excuses, Mustang (America's best selling coupe) needs no excuse, and neither does Cobalt, CTS, GM and Ford trucks.

All are made by the same unions and compete with the same imports. The difference is that effort were put into these vehicles, and they wern't viewed as "Just another applience" .

That simple outlook makes a big difference.
Old May 1, 2006 | 10:51 PM
  #3  
90rocz's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 2,947
From: Springfield,OH. U.S.A.
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

The Import tuner scene has been hot for a while now, where were the "Hot" domestic counterparts??? Only in the last couple of years have they jumped in the ring and started swinging.
And the trend toward the "bland" has made buying a new car into a ...ho-hum...afair. What car, up until maybe last year, could you not live without?none.
I think it's just a traffic jam of bad luck, bad decisions, bad economy, bad govt...etc...just hoping this is a 100year low.
Old May 2, 2006 | 04:41 AM
  #4  
DrewSG's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 627
From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

GM's ignorance as a whole during the 80s/90s
Old May 2, 2006 | 08:32 AM
  #5  
Big Als Z's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 4,306
From: Jersey Shore
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

GM just didnt care about cars anymore, which shows they didnt care about there customers. There are a lot of American nameplates that have lost market share and value, both financially and morally, after they just stopped caring for there customers.
That, combined with the imports gaining ground in peoples heads as gas sipping, long lasting vehicles that couldnt be killed and were semi well built, just killed the next generation and the generation to follow's love for the American car company.
Only recently do you see an infusion of style and performance from the American car companies, and that is where the sales are. Why they are not taking advantage of it is beyond me. That is there ticket to sales. Not 8 spd transmissions, not tripple overhead cam, 20 cd player 12" subwoofer sound system. Style, aka Sex, sells.
Old May 2, 2006 | 08:32 AM
  #6  
JakeRobb's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 9,507
From: Okemos, MI
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

It's Toyota's fault.
Old May 2, 2006 | 09:36 AM
  #7  
Threxx's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 4,320
From: Memphis
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Their many problems have centered around one key point. Focusing on the short term dollar and quick profits rather than willingness to sacrafise short term profit in order to build momentum into long term profitability and a dedicated consumer base, much like you see Toyota doing today.

Blame this on stock holders, poor GM management, consumers, or all of the above - but regardless of who's to blame, the concept above is what started it all.

Last edited by Threxx; May 2, 2006 at 09:45 AM.
Old May 2, 2006 | 12:27 PM
  #8  
Robert_Nashville's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,938
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Although overly simplistic, there is a adage in the auto industry that goes...

"There is nothing wrong at a car company that good products can't fix".

There is a lot of blame that can be thrown around at GM (and Ford) and others but if a manufacturer runs their business with just a little bit of common sense and has products that people truly WANT, they have all the ingredients they need to be successful.
Old May 2, 2006 | 01:18 PM
  #9  
91_z28_4me's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,600
From: Pewee Valley, KY
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Originally Posted by Threxx
Their many problems have centered around one key point. Focusing on the short term dollar and quick profits rather than willingness to sacrafise short term profit in order to build momentum into long term profitability and a dedicated consumer base, much like you see Toyota doing today.

Blame this on stock holders, poor GM management, consumers, or all of the above - but regardless of who's to blame, the concept above is what started it all.
QFT!
Old May 2, 2006 | 01:29 PM
  #10  
stars1010's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,121
From: Houston
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Originally Posted by DrewSG
GM's ignorance as a whole during the 80s/90s
Yup, old Mgmt
Old May 4, 2006 | 04:19 AM
  #11  
mr00jimbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,238
From: Wet Coast
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

was it that wagoner that f*cked everything up?
Old May 4, 2006 | 07:40 AM
  #12  
91_z28_4me's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,600
From: Pewee Valley, KY
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Originally Posted by mr00jimbo
was it that wagoner that f*cked everything up?
Don't drink the BM koolaid!
Old May 4, 2006 | 09:55 AM
  #13  
dav305z's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 757
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

This is sort of like an AP Euro History mulitiple choice question: what was the primary cause of WWI?

There are literally a dozen major reasons for GM's market share loss. Some was their lack of forsight. To some degree it was an inevitability of more players sharing the same pie. Buyer perception plays a role. So does GM's enormous fixed cost disadvantage. Don't forget the gas crisises that allowed the imports to get their foot in the door.

To simply say, "GM doesn't build cars people want" isn't entirely wrong, but it isn't correct, either. It's this entire spectrum of cause that really makes Rick Wagoner's job a thousand times harder than folks on the outside *cough*buickman*cough* like to think. If there were a majic bullet, I think even GM management would have found it by now.
Old May 7, 2006 | 10:32 AM
  #14  
bossco's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,977
From: SeVa
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
QFT!
Man that "QFT" is killing me. What the hell does it mean? The only thing that runs across my mind is "Quit [censored] Talking".

I'm not to ashamed to ask here on a board full of car guys, but on the game geek board I post to I am shamed into silence for not being so savy on post speak
Old May 7, 2006 | 10:39 AM
  #15  
ZaphodBeeblebrox's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 131
Re: Who's fault is it for GM's market share loss?

Quality problems, arrogant dealers, and ****-poor customer and dealer service have driven away more customers than I think GM realizes. Combine this with design/styling issues, and heap the "America's Discount Brands" tag that GM earned (up until recently), and GM has become unattractive or not even a consideration to most buyers (I know, as the designated car guy at my work, a manufacturing company in the Midwest, very few consider buying a new domestic car).

GM needs attractive/hit products with great styling, AND they need to extend warranties across the board to at least 5/60 while simultaneously improving/purging dealer and customer service. This is the ONLY WAY they will stop the bleeding...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:20 PM.