slimdawson

...the gov said, "sure, we'll give you a bailout(Car manufacturers) if you dissolve all unions". The union workers can say no but they won't have a job. Discuss.

onebadponcho

Wow, I don't know. Do you have your flamesuit on?

ROCKN SS

Well, they are not going to be able to re-man their entire production personel in any reasonable amount of time. They have already tried to get the union to make concessions to relieve the wage/benifit burden, however the UAW wouldn't budge. Don't know what the specifics of the plane were.

Mighty

It's not up to the car company to dissolve the unions.

slimdawson

Really? No thoughts?

psychocabbage

they would become profitable..

lamb110

Does the UAW have a presence in the foreign car manufacturers in the south?

Threxx

Can GM legally dissolve the union and hire non-union labor? I mean traditionally isn't the union's only recourse the threat of striking? So couldn't GM just say see-ya, have the government foot the 'interim' bill until they can get restaffed with normal workers working at wages more similar to non-union plants?

slimdawson

I don't know what kind of contracts they signed but to think GM would sign something with no outs is bad business. Of course, they are good at bad business so maybe they did.

I'm sure there are a LOT of people that would like to have a job. Kick out the leeches and Cheeches, and get some people who are grateful.

ulakovic22

Unions are stand alone so no one can dissolve them per se, but I get your point. If the bailout was contengent on non-union labor then I think that 2 things could happen. Either the workers would say screw the union I need work and they would leave the union and work as a regular Joe, or the union would stand strong and it would take GM years to find qualified workers to get their plants up and running again. Human nature says that people would leave the union to put food on the table and if they don't where else would they be able to work with their particular skill set.

BigRob

No.

That's part of the reason the "big 3" are having problems. but other companies aren't.

In case anyones curios, here's a photo of the UAW contract with Ford...all 22 pounds of it!!!

lamb110

Damn. I wonder how much the people in the southern states are making compared to the people up north.

MrBonus

Then those elected officials in "government" would be unemployed along with those union workers.

Threxx

Once you include the difference in benefits, retirement, health care, and the fact that they actually get paid when they're not even working (they have some sort of holding tank where they play cards and watch TV at partial wage) I think I remember the cost per applied hour of labor is something like 24 dollars per non-union hour vs 76 dollars per union hour.

lamb110

Are you f'ing serious? If thats true, there is no reason that some yahoo putting together a car should make a combined $76 an hour.