Not too bad, i was expecting alot worse but kudos to their criticism, they stated good and bad things about the cars not just biased opinions.

also a word to defend the 3800 here a little. im not trying to start an argument or pro-3800 thing here but keep in mind that this motor has to pull a heavy car and while Z28 and SS get to breath out through dual exhausts, the v6 car gets a puny little single exhaust system. even the Y87's dual system is tiny. slap a catback on 3800 car with mandrel bent pipes and the car "wakes up" quite a bit. a friend of mine's 01 firebird with a borla exhaust can hand my car its rear time and time again. not trying to start a flame war or hijack a thread just trying to defend the 3800 series II a little.

 

Having an opinion around here is tough, I know.

But really, all the import owners I talked to whether they think stupid things that aren't true about Camaros or not have admiration for the cars (any Gen really) and I think that's something because of course most of us don't have it back for them.

 

RICE,RICE,RICE!!!!!!

I suspect that this would be the overwhelming response....if this thread was the other way around.

Not to get off on a rant here.....but those guys on the Celica board seem like car enthusiasts to me.

Do we have very many car enthusiasts here?
Sometimes I wonder.

I like (make that....LOVE), cars. Sure my automotive world revolves around Camaros....but if it's got a motor and wheels....I'm just plain into it.

I'm not into that whole ricer thing...but if I go to an autocross ( no rice, just enthusiasts there) and see a nice VR6 Golf, SE-R....and yes....even a nice Civic.....I like what I see.

Why?

Because I'm a car enthusiast.

Maybe some of us can be more like those Celica guys.

 

It depends on the car.

 

You got that right!
Domestics are outgunned at least 3-to-1 at our autoX meets.
I said long ago, you don't have to like your competition, but you better respect it. I'll tell you right now that I LOVE my '89 LX 5.0 and I'd take it over anything out there, but I get my **** handed to me by Civics, Rabbits, Sentras, CRX's, WRX's, S2000's, Miatas, Accords, and several others - EVERY TIME.

The plain truth here is that those cars are light, low, well-suspended, and FWD. They can simply go through a turn at a higher speed than my front-heavy dinosaur. It's kinda cool (in a wierd way) to watch the FWD cars aim the front wheels and hold the pedal to the floor, the rest of the car will follow. But in a RWD car, you put the gas pedal to the floor in a turn and you do a donut! (at least MY V8 does! ) Me and a guy in an '01 T/A WS6 were within a second of each other all day, and we both got killed (like 2 seconds better) by an '84 Rabbit GTI with a stock engine and running 12" wheels... TAKE THAT!!!

The point is, those little light cars do have an advantage inherent to their design - and it is handling and nimbleness. AutoX is a field in which their advantage inflicts mortal wounds to a traditional V8 car. My hope to combat these types of cars is nested in the Focus/Cavvy-type offerings by the domestics. Neon is coming in there strong too.

Now if there was a 1/4-mile straightaway after the last turn on that track, we V8 guys would have a different situation...
Now, to their dismay, you don't often find 8 90-degree turns and a 4-cone slalom all within 200 yards on the streets... so when we are on the highway running 75, or at a light with 1/8th of clear road ahead, the advantages of turning are unimportant - and they (rice or imports) get clobbered by sheer power. That's why they notice that Camaros make good "drag cars", because that's where they get beat. Plays right into their comments, doesn't it?

Take nothing from them though... I think it can be alot of fun to drive a slow car at it's limits as compared to driving a fast car in a "restricted" mode. Those cars are nimble, quick-responding, and just downright fun at times. Fuel economy... well... ummm... nevermind!

 

Just because someone doesn't like a certain type of car, does not make them a non-enthusiast. I don't like little fwd compact cars, period. They do nothing for me. The same way that a Camry, Accord, or Taurus do nothing for me. So am I not an enthusiast because I don't like every car? No.

I also don't think that the majority of responses would be "RICE!". I think that if you asked this group a serious question about what you think about a Celica, you would get some real answers.

 

That is the biggest advantage to my car. I can throw it into a pretty sharp turn at a decent speed and not have a problem. i kno my car isnt fast, i do the quarter in like 18 seconds or something rediculous, however wipping around windy roads is its specialty.

everyonce in awhile when it gets real late at night, a buddy of mine and i, take our cars (he has a volvo s40), and run them through windy mountain roads near where we live as fast as we can. let me tell u guys, dont count out the abilities my little car has when it comes to something like this. hitting a decently sharp turn at like 60-70 and hearin the tires scream as u go around it, all the while being pinned to the bolsters of the seat is a HUGE rush.

also i am with sneaky niel in saying that i am a car enthusiast. i love camaros, i like my little celica, but if a car is fun to drive, im gunna like it. enjoying the driving experience matters to me the most, and whatever design can do that for me, im all about.

and ill finally stop typin by saying, that i would definitly like to hear some constructive and intelligent opinions on the celica. o did u guys know they had a 4wd turbo version from 88-93 as well? hehe, betcha didnt!

 

Shouldn't the saturn ion coupe, pontiac sunfire, or cavalier/cobalt coupe be aimed at a celica instead of a camaro?

 

Yes. But what are they doing to compete with the compacts?

Didnt a V6 Camaro go for ~$20,000? A loaded Celica or RSX goes for ~$24,000. They seem like they were indirectly in competition with each other. At that time GM had no sporty compact... unless you called the Cavalier a sporty compact. :blah:

Once again it was low revving, low power Cavalier/Sunfire vs. high reving up to 200hp other compacts. I've never heard a magazine journalist rave about a Cavaliers handling while like mentioned before the imports are slaloming near 70mph and pulling close to .9Gs. Atleast ford came up with the SVT Focus. What do we have?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I think even if Chevy supercharged the Eco-tecs to 200hp across the board they still wouldnt have the appeal of the other imports. I can hear kids saying now, "Chevy had to supercharge their 4 cylinder to get what my Acura came with stock." GM has a long way to go to build street credibility in the sport compact arena.

Not to offend anyone who likes it, but the Ion coupe just isn't cool. I dont think youll hear kids talking about how they cant wait to get behind the wheel of one. For GM's sake, I hope the Cobalt steps up to the plate.

 

Neon SRT. They are everywhere. GM needs to copy that format exactly and they will have a winner.

 

exactly, GM needs to go down the turbo path, especially since the way that F&F glorifies turbochargers.....

 

My cousin's bf is a ricer, he loves his car and respects anyones car no matter what. They came to MI for the dream cruise and he was just of my car. Looks and power he was totally speechless, so there are some good ricers out there.

Then there are some that totally hate american cars, just like there are some that totally hate foreign cars. Just like the ford vs chevy thing, it will never end.

 

I could car less what the "The Slow & The Frivalous" crowd thinks of Camaro.....

http://www.geocities.com/stpwindsor/...astfurious.txt

 

My friend has a WRX STi and it gets worse milage than my SS, of couse it is going to take a lot of gas to get 300HP out of a 2.5L engine.

I think that fact that all these cars use premium is more of a turn off to the cash straped driver than gas milage.

 

The 3800 in the Camaro is pretty weak. I drive one. Honestly, the Malibu I rented while my car was in the shop felt faster and more responsive than my Camaro does. From a dead stop the 3800 isn't that bad, but from anything more than a 30mph roll, it just doesn't feel fast, and from the cars I've played around with on the highway, it isn't fast.

The 3800 has lots of potential with aftermarket though. But honestly I regret buying it when I could have gotten the barebones Z28. I thought I wanted the t-tops and all, but if I had to make my choice again, I'd of gotten a Z28 just for the drivetrain.

The base Camaro should at least be able to keep up with Accords and Maximas.