What impact did PHR's 5th Gen proposal have on Camaro's future?
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Ah!
I want this to turn out well, I am hoping this car won't be branded with a "they copied the idea" type stigma right out of the gates by being too retro like.
I think I'll be happy with just no chrome bar though. Please, please, PLEASE, no chrome bars.
no chrome bars
I want this to turn out well, I am hoping this car won't be branded with a "they copied the idea" type stigma right out of the gates by being too retro like.
I think I'll be happy with just no chrome bar though. Please, please, PLEASE, no chrome bars.
no chrome bars
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Originally posted by Red Planet
Let me say this......
You COULD do a front end that has the 'look' of the first gen...but it doesn't have to be a 'plow' in the front.
Think about it....the grille on the first gens were upright......at 90 degrees to the road surface. That's not aerodynamic.
now.....think about taking that 'look' and raking it..........
as to styling....still changes being made......but oh, if you could only see what's hanging on the walls as the designers continue their work!
(think in terms of old photographs over the past 35 years......true inspiration)
one final comment. For those of you who really know me, (I mean REALLY know me......the kinda 'let's talk about the car at 2 am over a cup of coffee......) you'll know that I have very high standards as to what the next car has to be. And I'm happy.
'nuff said.
Let me say this......
You COULD do a front end that has the 'look' of the first gen...but it doesn't have to be a 'plow' in the front.
Think about it....the grille on the first gens were upright......at 90 degrees to the road surface. That's not aerodynamic.
now.....think about taking that 'look' and raking it..........
as to styling....still changes being made......but oh, if you could only see what's hanging on the walls as the designers continue their work!
(think in terms of old photographs over the past 35 years......true inspiration)
one final comment. For those of you who really know me, (I mean REALLY know me......the kinda 'let's talk about the car at 2 am over a cup of coffee......) you'll know that I have very high standards as to what the next car has to be. And I'm happy.
'nuff said.
Keeping hope alive!
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saw this posted over at CnGs. Looks kind of like the sketch, minus the fender flares.
http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/07camaro2.jpg
http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/07camaro2.jpg
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i think that sketch looks rather decent. i even like the wheel arches. it looks powerful, muscular, clean, mean, NICE.
i don't get why some of you who argue against retro insist that the car must conform to old styling cues like "there has never been a camaro with wheel arches THAT big." isn't the point to go forward and refine the design of the car to look more and more agressive and with the times or whatever? how do you expect that to happen if you want the designer's hands to be tied to the previous generations of the car? indeed, how would car design every change at all?
don't make it retro, but make sure to follow history. okeee.
i don't get why some of you who argue against retro insist that the car must conform to old styling cues like "there has never been a camaro with wheel arches THAT big." isn't the point to go forward and refine the design of the car to look more and more agressive and with the times or whatever? how do you expect that to happen if you want the designer's hands to be tied to the previous generations of the car? indeed, how would car design every change at all?
don't make it retro, but make sure to follow history. okeee.
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Originally posted by Red Planet
Let me say this......
You COULD do a front end that has the 'look' of the first gen...but it doesn't have to be a 'plow' in the front.
Think about it....the grille on the first gens were upright......at 90 degrees to the road surface. That's not aerodynamic.
now.....think about taking that 'look' and raking it..........
as to styling....still changes being made......but oh, if you could only see what's hanging on the walls as the designers continue their work!
(think in terms of old photographs over the past 35 years......true inspiration)
one final comment. For those of you who really know me, (I mean REALLY know me......the kinda 'let's talk about the car at 2 am over a cup of coffee......) you'll know that I have very high standards as to what the next car has to be. And I'm happy.
'nuff said.
Let me say this......
You COULD do a front end that has the 'look' of the first gen...but it doesn't have to be a 'plow' in the front.
Think about it....the grille on the first gens were upright......at 90 degrees to the road surface. That's not aerodynamic.
now.....think about taking that 'look' and raking it..........
as to styling....still changes being made......but oh, if you could only see what's hanging on the walls as the designers continue their work!
(think in terms of old photographs over the past 35 years......true inspiration)
one final comment. For those of you who really know me, (I mean REALLY know me......the kinda 'let's talk about the car at 2 am over a cup of coffee......) you'll know that I have very high standards as to what the next car has to be. And I'm happy.
'nuff said.
Remember this thread?
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=221284
I know it's cartoonish, but there's allot of the same ques in this one....
http://www.5thgencamaro.com/othersconcepts/017.jpg
And this one....
http://www.5thgencamaro.com/othersconcepts/042.jpg
Last edited by Doug Harden; Mar 18, 2004 at 06:14 AM.
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Originally posted by SageofKnight
I want this to turn out well, I am hoping this car won't be branded with a "they copied the idea" type stigma right out of the gates by being too retro like.
I want this to turn out well, I am hoping this car won't be branded with a "they copied the idea" type stigma right out of the gates by being too retro like.
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Originally posted by Red Planet
one final comment. For those of you who really know me, (I mean REALLY know me......the kinda 'let's talk about the car at 2 am over a cup of coffee......) you'll know that I have very high standards as to what the next car has to be. And I'm happy.
'nuff said.
one final comment. For those of you who really know me, (I mean REALLY know me......the kinda 'let's talk about the car at 2 am over a cup of coffee......) you'll know that I have very high standards as to what the next car has to be. And I'm happy.
'nuff said.
I know I am going to have issues if the nose is blatently retro... but I am also glad you say it is a work in progress... and changes are still being made.
I am hoping the designers end up with a final product that is obviously a Camaro and has feature Camaro's must have to actually be a Camaro, yet is fresh and new.
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Originally posted by Doug Harden
I know it's cartoonish, but there's allot of the same ques in this one....
http://www.5thgencamaro.com/othersconcepts/017.jpg
I know it's cartoonish, but there's allot of the same ques in this one....
http://www.5thgencamaro.com/othersconcepts/017.jpg
Although that drawing had some neat aspects to it...I can't say that I was really happy with it. I thought it required lots more tweaking....especially to reduce the cartoonish flavor, ( the 35 inch wheels don't help either).
But a deadline is a deadline...and we needed the illustrations to go with my story.....so we used them.
I wish I had more time to fine tune them further with Thom.
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Is it just me, or is this thing starting to "sound" an awful lot like camarokid128's winning entry on gminsidenews.com? It had most of the elements that evok and RP said to include... side skirks, 1st gen influence, raked 1st gen grill, etc.
Anyway, I looked hard at crispey's sketch and to me it needed some tweaking to have more of a 68 feel as evok suggests. Furthermore evok said the skirts and 4th gen fenders/mirrors also need to be there, and IMO the roof needed flattening and the rear deck to look more like a 1st gen Camaro (again as suggested by evok... I also tweaked the C-pillar). Then it needed more of a rake to the 1st gen inspired grill, and 35 years of influence as suggested by RP. So after a little pen and ink tweaking, I came up with this first draft:
http://home.comcast.net/~blackwoodga.../GenV_rev1.jpg
No this is not an original design I am claiming as my own. It is a refinement of evok's preminition as drawn by crispey with influence from suggestions by RP and a strong influence on camarokid128's design from last year. Yeah its got the bar that nobody seems to want (except for a few of us ) but to me it more accurately portrays what evok and RP are suggesting and that is 35 years of Camaros evolved into one.
Flame away.
Anyway, I looked hard at crispey's sketch and to me it needed some tweaking to have more of a 68 feel as evok suggests. Furthermore evok said the skirts and 4th gen fenders/mirrors also need to be there, and IMO the roof needed flattening and the rear deck to look more like a 1st gen Camaro (again as suggested by evok... I also tweaked the C-pillar). Then it needed more of a rake to the 1st gen inspired grill, and 35 years of influence as suggested by RP. So after a little pen and ink tweaking, I came up with this first draft:
http://home.comcast.net/~blackwoodga.../GenV_rev1.jpg
No this is not an original design I am claiming as my own. It is a refinement of evok's preminition as drawn by crispey with influence from suggestions by RP and a strong influence on camarokid128's design from last year. Yeah its got the bar that nobody seems to want (except for a few of us
) but to me it more accurately portrays what evok and RP are suggesting and that is 35 years of Camaros evolved into one.Flame away.
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Nice job! I made the same suggestion about the roof over at C&G. I think we'll see Crispey's version 2.0 before too long. Looks like we're creeping up on the real thing.
I still hope one of the styling revisions RP says are still happening dumps the fender/mirror thing.
I still hope one of the styling revisions RP says are still happening dumps the fender/mirror thing.
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Originally posted by CaminoLS6
I still hope one of the styling revisions RP says are still happening dumps the fender/mirror thing.
I still hope one of the styling revisions RP says are still happening dumps the fender/mirror thing.
I kind of like the fender/mirror thing though... just as I like the crossbar idea.
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You know when I first looked at the SAAB 9-x front end. I always thought it would be a nice rendition of the first gen front end with the lights etc.
Now that RP mentions a "rake" how about something like this to be drafted on the concept. I need to post this at C&G for Crispey as well
http://www.mcarsweb.com/saab/9x.jpg
Anyone else see a resemblance.??
Now that RP mentions a "rake" how about something like this to be drafted on the concept. I need to post this at C&G for Crispey as well
http://www.mcarsweb.com/saab/9x.jpg
Anyone else see a resemblance.??
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Ignore the crudness... I'm limitted to MSPaint here at the office. 
http://home.comcast.net/~blackwoodga...9xmodgrill.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~blackwoodga...9xmodgrill.jpg