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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:31 PM
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What if Saturn got a version of the Camaro with 'Sky'-like Styling?

What would some of you think if Saturn (not pontiac) got a version of the 2009 Camaro but instead it had a styling theme similar to the Sky?
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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ummmm , ok . Then ya would have lost me . Doesnt a car like the Camaro completely go against the grain of Saturns new image ?
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ummmm , ok . Then ya would have lost me . Doesnt a car like the Camaro completely go against the grain of Saturns new image ?
Are you telling me GM doesnt want Saturn to symbolize "performance"?

What kind of image does the Sky portray?

Bob Lutz said the brand with the most growth potential is Saturn so I wouldn't be surprised if Saturn 'possibly' got a version of the Camaro in 2010 or so with totally different styling.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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I would be extremely dissapointed if Saturn got a 5th gen derivative and Pontiac didn't get a Firebird/Trans Am. That being said, I don't think either of them are getting anything.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Re: What if Saturn got a version of the Camaro with 'Sky'-like Styling?

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What would some of you think if Saturn (not pontiac) got a version of the 2009 Camaro but instead it had a styling theme similar to the Sky?
I like the way you're thinking!

The Sky is a fresh, modern, and aggressive design, just like a modern-day sports coupe should be. In fact it'll probably be my next car. If we had similar styling on the f-car's chassis I would be first in line with my chequebook open. And I'll bet it'd have a heckuva lot better chance in gaining conquest sales from the import-intender crowd.

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Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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This quote from Lutz is what makes me think Saturn might have a better chance at getting a version of the Camaro then Pontiac. If for some reason the Saturn Sky outsells the Pontiac Solstice in the next few years because Pontiac dealers charge huge mark-ups while Saturn dealers don't, will only strengthen the case for Saturn.

Speaking of brand image, how do you save Pontiac and Buick?

Pontiac and Buick need sharper focus. We have to stop trying to make them Chevys with a different badge. That means fewer models. On Pontiac, the Solstice is a good example, and it will be followed by others. The brand will be sharply focused in a sporting direction.

So you're no longer trying to get big sales volume from Buick and Pontiac?

We want to grow volume with Chevy, Cadillac, Hummer, and Saturn. Saturn is definitely a growth brand because you don't have to overcome preconceived public notions.

What about Buick?

The real challenge with Buick is that people automatically exclude it from consideration. That it's an old person's car is a notion that's constantly reinforced by the media. Breaking though that is very tough. It's easier to grow a brand like Saturn.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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A Saturn branded modernly styled Camaro would be sacralidge in many ways. Instead I'd prefer to see the Firebird come out with modern styling and thus sending the Camaro retro and the Firebird modern and letting people choose what kind of car they like, I think that would do a great job of opening the market that much wider without pissing too many people off.
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Re: What if Saturn got a version of the Camaro with 'Sky'-like Styling?

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Are you telling me GM doesnt want Saturn to symbolize "performance"?

What kind of image does the Sky portray?

Bob Lutz said the brand with the most growth potential is Saturn so I wouldn't be surprised if Saturn 'possibly' got a version of the Camaro in 2010 or so with totally different styling.
According to GM's own personality they wish to pursue with the new Saturn image , is europeon inspired . Think more like a VW , OPEL image . A Camaro type car doesnt work their . If anyone got another version of this car that would suit Saturn , I would think it would be Caddy . Thier trying so hard to appeal to the Bimmer , Mercedes crowd and both have a pretty serious coupe offering . GM also stated Chevy and Cadillac would be the only FULL line brands in GM's line-ups . Caddy's line-up still needs to grow a little to compete head on with the "standards" of the luxo industry . Again , GM are the ones who said they wish to position Caddy in line with the Germans

Just thinking though , I bet a Camaro type car with Saturns current styling theme would be absolutely gorgeous
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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Re: What if Saturn got a version of the Camaro with 'Sky'-like Styling?

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A Saturn branded modernly styled Camaro would be sacralidge in many ways. Instead I'd prefer to see the Firebird come out with modern styling and thus sending the Camaro retro and the Firebird modern and letting people choose what kind of car they like, I think that would do a great job of opening the market that much wider without pissing too many people off.
I use to think that way, but the problem I see is that a person who would buy a Chevy is most likely the same guy who would consider a Pontiac is most cases.

The difference with Saturn is that Saturn has the highest conquest rate of converting import owners over to a GM brand. So while a Pontiac guy might be 'rightfully' pissed off there will be no new Firebird (and maybe no new GTO for that matter) they would still consider a Chevy Camaro .While a Saturn version would attract those who would never consider a Chevy and would never in a million years ever drive a Pontiac.

So my point is that a Saturn version would most likely appeal to a different demographic then the Camaro while a Pontiac version would end up competing with the same group who would consider a Camaro.

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Saturn's new styling direction is spot on. But to do it right and get the Camaro over to Saturn would require more than a few more creases in the fenders. It would have to offer something more/unique. If they based it on HFV6s and offered factory options to allow the buyer to customize the look/feel (ex, Scion) it could work.

Call it the Saturn Reactor.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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Re: What if Saturn got a version of the Camaro with 'Sky'-like Styling?

Originally Posted by johnsocal
So while a Pontiac guy might be 'rightfully' pissed off there will be no new Firebird (and maybe no new GTO for that matter) they would still consider a Chevy Camaro.
Not this one. You can count me as one of those guys that would be pissed off and would not consider the Camaro.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Typical GM. Don't give a crap about divisions that have been around for 100yrs, but lets build up one that is only 20 yrs old.

Hey, why not just have Chevy, Caddillac, and Saturn? The day that happens is when I finally buy foreign.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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Re: What if Saturn got a version of the Camaro with 'Sky'-like Styling?

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Not this one. You can count me as one of those guys that would be pissed off and would not consider the Camaro.
Im sure there many others just like you who feel the exact same way, which as a 4th gen Camaro and Firebird fan I understand the reasons why. In reality though a Saturn version would attract those who would never belong to a Camaro or Pontiac fan website nor ever visit their showrooms.



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