Automotive News / Industry / Future Vehicle Discussion Automotive news and discussion about upcoming vehicles

What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 10:03 AM
  #1  
Z284ever's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 16,176
From: Chicagoland IL
What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Again, from Autoexpress...




June 2005


Dodge Charger R/T


Forget Chevrolets, Thunderbirds and Mustangs; anyone who watched television back in the Eighties will tell you that America's most famous automobile is the Dodge Charger...

Star of cult series the Dukes of Hazzard, and painted bright orange with a Confederate flag on the roof, the 1969 two-door General Lee roared its way into the living rooms of millions, and gave the UK an unforgettable taste of American muscle cars. The question is, can Dodge do it again in 2005?

The early indications are not good. Launched at this year's Detroit Motor Show, the brand new Charger is not a two-door like the vehicle of the same name that thrashed around on TV in the early Eighties. Instead, it is a reinvention of sister firm Chrysler's 300C, on which the Charger is based.

Even so, the gentle rise of its C-pillar and its snarling nose are reminiscent of the superstar car. Reassuringly, this motor never fails to turn heads. Atidle, the 5.7-litre V8 HEMI engine sucks in enthusiasts at the same spectacular rate as it guzzles unleaded petrol, and pumps out a throaty roar that makes the £16,406 American price seem like a joke to buyers in the UK.

Acceleration is impressive, partic-ularly from the 340bhp R/T edition



which we got behind the wheel of. It is also worth noting that an entry-level 250bhp V6 model is available too, with a bargain price tag in the US of the equivalent of £12,576. This base variant is a joy to drive... until you have sampled the V8.

The noise only gets better if you opt for the £17,776 Daytona. This current flagship version appropriately gets the loudest paintjobs available in America, namely GoManGo! orange, Top Banana yellow and the self-descriptive SubLime. On the road, however, the Charger's long wheelbase and overly light steering bring back memories of the Seventies. This is no sports car, despite the straight-line muscle on offer.

Perhaps all the finely tuned suspension settings are being held in reserve for the 425bhp SRT8, which we have yet to drive. But even the R/T model, equipped with a 'performance package' of stiffer roll bars, feels floaty and lacking in body control.

While Dodge-branded vehicles are set to arrive in the UK early next year, the Charger will be produced in left-hand-drive form only, which is likely to limit its British appeal. That said, if bosses change their mind, we would expect buyers to be Charging into dealerships demanding a test drive...
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 11:19 AM
  #2  
redzed's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,954
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

It sounds as if even the British are hung up on the stupid "Dukes of Hazard" association with the Charger nameplate.

You'd think that the whole world was disappointed that Daimler-Chrysler didn't produce an exact replica of the "General Lee."
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 11:47 AM
  #3  
Chrome383Z's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,043
From: Shelbyville, IN
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by redzed
It sounds as if even the British are hung up on the stupid "Dukes of Hazard" association with the Charger nameplate.

You'd think that the whole world was disappointed that Daimler-Chrysler didn't produce an exact replica of the "General Lee."
Same with the GTO. This isn't the GTO my daddy had even though it's much better. heh

I think a Legacy name is a good and bad thing. On the good side the name will sell itself. The bad part is being locked into a Legacy name means that the vehicle is never allowed to deviate from that "Legacy."

2 Examples:

Mustang: (Retro) - Die-Hards love it. The general public seems to like it. Will it attract the younger generation - the verdict is still out on this one.

Charger: (Evolved) - Die-Hards hate it. It's too early to tell the general publics feelings on it.

This is party the reason I have mixed feelings about the next Chevrolet coupe to be called a Camaro. If they feel they have to go retro and not deviate from the "Camaro" legacy then for god sake call it something else. If they are comfortable evolving the Camaro (IRS, etc) I think they will have a much better seller as you will be appealing to the masses - not the Die-Hards. But again, court is not even in session yet (or even on the planner...)
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:20 PM
  #4  
guionM's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
Mustang: (Retro) - Die-Hards love it. The general public seems to like it. Will it attract the younger generation - the verdict is still out on this one.
No it isn't. I'd say most of the new Stangs I see are now driven by people under 40. That's lower than average new Camaro buyer's age.

Charger: (Evolved) - Die-Hards hate it. It's too early to tell the general publics feelings on it.
I made a post here at the end of April in which Chrysler had over 20,000 orders for the Charger already. Higher than the advance orders on the 300 at the same period befor introduction. Rapper 50 cent already is trying to get one.

This is party the reason I have mixed feelings about the next Chevrolet coupe to be called a Camaro. If they feel they have to go retro and not deviate from the "Camaro" legacy then for god sake call it something else. If they are comfortable evolving the Camaro (IRS, etc) I think they will have a much better seller as you will be appealing to the masses - not the Die-Hards. But again, court is not even in session yet (or even on the planner...)
Camaro has been a hatchback, a coupe, a grand tourer, and a high performance track racer. It's alsop had blunt nose looks, it's also been a chisled wedge as well as a curvy but large car with a Corvette like greenhouse.

Outside of being a low priced, V8 powered, rear drive, medium sized, 4 seat sporty coupe, there is no "Camaro" legacy unless you rewrite history.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:22 PM
  #5  
Chuck!'s Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 2,610
From: Cincinnati, OH
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Brits must have not been big Knight Rider fans.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:24 PM
  #6  
Darth Xed's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 8,504
From: Ohio
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by Chuck!
Brits must have not been big Knight Rider fans.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 12:26 PM
  #7  
Z28Wilson's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,165
From: Sterling Heights, MI
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Look, I'm more disappointed that the new "Charger" is nothing more than a redundant re-hash of another already successful Chrysler. I was never expecting a General Lee car, just something...anything...to make it look like there would be a reason to choose it over a comparable 300, be it styling, engine/suspension choices, etc. Certainly something more true to the original would've helped. If it is successful then more power to Dodge....I just won't understand why.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 01:30 PM
  #8  
Good Ph.D's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,597
From: Mack and Bewick
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Look, I'm more disappointed that the new "Charger" is nothing more than a redundant re-hash of another already successful Chrysler. I was never expecting a General Lee car, just something...anything...to make it look like there would be a reason to choose it over a comparable 300, be it styling, engine/suspension choices, etc. Certainly something more true to the original would've helped. If it is successful then more power to Dodge....I just won't understand why.
Having seen it on the street the personality manages to be quite different than the 300... While both are burly and have a strong road presence the Charger is a lot more aggressive if not in the most attractive way.

I would say the Charger is the new Impy SS and the 300 the new Continental.

Also I think the charger is slightly cheaper. I would consider it now.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 02:23 PM
  #9  
Chrome383Z's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,043
From: Shelbyville, IN
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by guionM
No it isn't. I'd say most of the new Stangs I see are now driven by people under 40. That's lower than average new Camaro buyer's age.
Well, I'm just going by what I see around here. Mostly white haired I'd guess middle/late 40's. But this is in the Central Midwest so probably alot different then the Golden State.


I made a post here at the end of April in which Chrysler had over 20,000 orders for the Charger already. Higher than the advance orders on the 300 at the same period befor introduction. Rapper 50 cent already is trying to get one.
Well, there again I'm going with what I see and most people I talk to think it's image has been hurt by 4 doors. Do I, no - but I am not the majority around here. And 50 cent is a loser and I could care less what he buys.


Camaro has been a hatchback, a coupe, a grand tourer, and a high performance track racer. It's alsop had blunt nose looks, it's also been a chisled wedge as well as a curvy but large car with a Corvette like greenhouse.

Outside of being a low priced, V8 powered, rear drive, medium sized, 4 seat sporty coupe, there is no "Camaro" legacy unless you rewrite history.
Not disagreeing here. But I would like to see something REVOLUTIONARY not RETRO. (IE the Solid vs IRS debate).

Last edited by Chrome383Z; Jun 2, 2005 at 02:26 PM.
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 05:15 PM
  #10  
graham's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 1999
Posts: 2,887
From: northeast Miss.
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
Well, I'm just going by what I see around here. Mostly white haired I'd guess middle/late 40's. But this is in the Central Midwest so probably alot different then the Golden State.
Isnt everything??
Old Jun 2, 2005 | 05:19 PM
  #11  
Ken S's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 1999
Posts: 2,368
From: OR
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Originally Posted by guionM
Camaro has been a hatchback, a coupe, a grand tourer, and a high performance track racer. It's alsop had blunt nose looks, it's also been a chisled wedge as well as a curvy but large car with a Corvette like greenhouse.
I view the Camaro to have two lines of style.

1st gen looks


Then 2nd gen and onward, when whats his name took over the Camaro design and decided it should look more longer and lower slung, moving away from the 1st gen style


Because of this, there is some dissonance between Camaro fans.. Some want more of the 1st gen feel.. while others like more of the 3rd, 4th, and 2nd gen feel..


Thats why it won't be a suprise to me if the Camaro is reborn, it may look like something totally different... For better or for worse..

---

Now Dodge.. I don't know how they are getting away with calling that 4 door sedan the Charger.. and running a commercial that directly compares a truck to the 69 Daytona...
Old Jun 3, 2005 | 07:58 AM
  #12  
falchulk's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,881
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Personally I love every fbody generation. I would enjoy styling from any of them.
Old Jun 3, 2005 | 10:27 AM
  #13  
MissedShift's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 858
From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.

Europeans impressed with the straight-line acceleration, and still bitching about "floaty" handling... Who woulda thunk it?
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
F'n1996Z28SS
Cars For Sale
8
Aug 23, 2023 11:19 PM
mark0006
2010 - 2015 Camaro News, Sightings, Pictures, and Multimedia
1
Mar 21, 2015 12:32 AM
SavageZ28
Automotive News / Industry / Future Vehicle Discussion
17
Sep 20, 2002 02:02 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:22 AM.