What the Europeans think of the Charger.
What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Again, from Autoexpress...
June 2005
Dodge Charger R/T
Forget Chevrolets, Thunderbirds and Mustangs; anyone who watched television back in the Eighties will tell you that America's most famous automobile is the Dodge Charger...
Star of cult series the Dukes of Hazzard, and painted bright orange with a Confederate flag on the roof, the 1969 two-door General Lee roared its way into the living rooms of millions, and gave the UK an unforgettable taste of American muscle cars. The question is, can Dodge do it again in 2005?
The early indications are not good. Launched at this year's Detroit Motor Show, the brand new Charger is not a two-door like the vehicle of the same name that thrashed around on TV in the early Eighties. Instead, it is a reinvention of sister firm Chrysler's 300C, on which the Charger is based.
Even so, the gentle rise of its C-pillar and its snarling nose are reminiscent of the superstar car. Reassuringly, this motor never fails to turn heads. Atidle, the 5.7-litre V8 HEMI engine sucks in enthusiasts at the same spectacular rate as it guzzles unleaded petrol, and pumps out a throaty roar that makes the £16,406 American price seem like a joke to buyers in the UK.
Acceleration is impressive, partic-ularly from the 340bhp R/T edition
which we got behind the wheel of. It is also worth noting that an entry-level 250bhp V6 model is available too, with a bargain price tag in the US of the equivalent of £12,576. This base variant is a joy to drive... until you have sampled the V8.
The noise only gets better if you opt for the £17,776 Daytona. This current flagship version appropriately gets the loudest paintjobs available in America, namely GoManGo! orange, Top Banana yellow and the self-descriptive SubLime. On the road, however, the Charger's long wheelbase and overly light steering bring back memories of the Seventies. This is no sports car, despite the straight-line muscle on offer.
Perhaps all the finely tuned suspension settings are being held in reserve for the 425bhp SRT8, which we have yet to drive. But even the R/T model, equipped with a 'performance package' of stiffer roll bars, feels floaty and lacking in body control.
While Dodge-branded vehicles are set to arrive in the UK early next year, the Charger will be produced in left-hand-drive form only, which is likely to limit its British appeal. That said, if bosses change their mind, we would expect buyers to be Charging into dealerships demanding a test drive...
Dodge Charger R/T
Forget Chevrolets, Thunderbirds and Mustangs; anyone who watched television back in the Eighties will tell you that America's most famous automobile is the Dodge Charger...
Star of cult series the Dukes of Hazzard, and painted bright orange with a Confederate flag on the roof, the 1969 two-door General Lee roared its way into the living rooms of millions, and gave the UK an unforgettable taste of American muscle cars. The question is, can Dodge do it again in 2005?
The early indications are not good. Launched at this year's Detroit Motor Show, the brand new Charger is not a two-door like the vehicle of the same name that thrashed around on TV in the early Eighties. Instead, it is a reinvention of sister firm Chrysler's 300C, on which the Charger is based.
Even so, the gentle rise of its C-pillar and its snarling nose are reminiscent of the superstar car. Reassuringly, this motor never fails to turn heads. Atidle, the 5.7-litre V8 HEMI engine sucks in enthusiasts at the same spectacular rate as it guzzles unleaded petrol, and pumps out a throaty roar that makes the £16,406 American price seem like a joke to buyers in the UK.
Acceleration is impressive, partic-ularly from the 340bhp R/T edition
which we got behind the wheel of. It is also worth noting that an entry-level 250bhp V6 model is available too, with a bargain price tag in the US of the equivalent of £12,576. This base variant is a joy to drive... until you have sampled the V8.
The noise only gets better if you opt for the £17,776 Daytona. This current flagship version appropriately gets the loudest paintjobs available in America, namely GoManGo! orange, Top Banana yellow and the self-descriptive SubLime. On the road, however, the Charger's long wheelbase and overly light steering bring back memories of the Seventies. This is no sports car, despite the straight-line muscle on offer.
Perhaps all the finely tuned suspension settings are being held in reserve for the 425bhp SRT8, which we have yet to drive. But even the R/T model, equipped with a 'performance package' of stiffer roll bars, feels floaty and lacking in body control.
While Dodge-branded vehicles are set to arrive in the UK early next year, the Charger will be produced in left-hand-drive form only, which is likely to limit its British appeal. That said, if bosses change their mind, we would expect buyers to be Charging into dealerships demanding a test drive...
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
It sounds as if even the British are hung up on the stupid "Dukes of Hazard" association with the Charger nameplate.
You'd think that the whole world was disappointed that Daimler-Chrysler didn't produce an exact replica of the "General Lee."
You'd think that the whole world was disappointed that Daimler-Chrysler didn't produce an exact replica of the "General Lee."
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Originally Posted by redzed
It sounds as if even the British are hung up on the stupid "Dukes of Hazard" association with the Charger nameplate.
You'd think that the whole world was disappointed that Daimler-Chrysler didn't produce an exact replica of the "General Lee."
You'd think that the whole world was disappointed that Daimler-Chrysler didn't produce an exact replica of the "General Lee."
I think a Legacy name is a good and bad thing. On the good side the name will sell itself. The bad part is being locked into a Legacy name means that the vehicle is never allowed to deviate from that "Legacy."
2 Examples:
Mustang: (Retro) - Die-Hards love it. The general public seems to like it. Will it attract the younger generation - the verdict is still out on this one.
Charger: (Evolved) - Die-Hards hate it. It's too early to tell the general publics feelings on it.
This is party the reason I have mixed feelings about the next Chevrolet coupe to be called a Camaro. If they feel they have to go retro and not deviate from the "Camaro" legacy then for god sake call it something else. If they are comfortable evolving the Camaro (IRS, etc) I think they will have a much better seller as you will be appealing to the masses - not the Die-Hards. But again, court is not even in session yet (or even on the planner...
)
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
Mustang: (Retro) - Die-Hards love it. The general public seems to like it. Will it attract the younger generation - the verdict is still out on this one.
Charger: (Evolved) - Die-Hards hate it. It's too early to tell the general publics feelings on it.
This is party the reason I have mixed feelings about the next Chevrolet coupe to be called a Camaro. If they feel they have to go retro and not deviate from the "Camaro" legacy then for god sake call it something else. If they are comfortable evolving the Camaro (IRS, etc) I think they will have a much better seller as you will be appealing to the masses - not the Die-Hards. But again, court is not even in session yet (or even on the planner...
)
)
Outside of being a low priced, V8 powered, rear drive, medium sized, 4 seat sporty coupe, there is no "Camaro" legacy unless you rewrite history.
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Look, I'm more disappointed that the new "Charger" is nothing more than a redundant re-hash of another already successful Chrysler. I was never expecting a General Lee car, just something...anything...to make it look like there would be a reason to choose it over a comparable 300, be it styling, engine/suspension choices, etc. Certainly something more true to the original would've helped. If it is successful then more power to Dodge....I just won't understand why.
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Look, I'm more disappointed that the new "Charger" is nothing more than a redundant re-hash of another already successful Chrysler. I was never expecting a General Lee car, just something...anything...to make it look like there would be a reason to choose it over a comparable 300, be it styling, engine/suspension choices, etc. Certainly something more true to the original would've helped. If it is successful then more power to Dodge....I just won't understand why.
I would say the Charger is the new Impy SS and the 300 the new Continental.
Also I think the charger is slightly cheaper.
I would consider it now.
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Originally Posted by guionM
No it isn't. I'd say most of the new Stangs I see are now driven by people under 40. That's lower than average new Camaro buyer's age.
I made a post here at the end of April in which Chrysler had over 20,000 orders for the Charger already. Higher than the advance orders on the 300 at the same period befor introduction. Rapper 50 cent already is trying to get one.
Camaro has been a hatchback, a coupe, a grand tourer, and a high performance track racer. It's alsop had blunt nose looks, it's also been a chisled wedge as well as a curvy but large car with a Corvette like greenhouse.
Outside of being a low priced, V8 powered, rear drive, medium sized, 4 seat sporty coupe, there is no "Camaro" legacy unless you rewrite history.
Outside of being a low priced, V8 powered, rear drive, medium sized, 4 seat sporty coupe, there is no "Camaro" legacy unless you rewrite history.
Last edited by Chrome383Z; Jun 2, 2005 at 02:26 PM.
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
Well, I'm just going by what I see around here. Mostly white haired I'd guess middle/late 40's. But this is in the Central Midwest so probably alot different then the Golden State.
Re: What the Europeans think of the Charger.
Originally Posted by guionM
Camaro has been a hatchback, a coupe, a grand tourer, and a high performance track racer. It's alsop had blunt nose looks, it's also been a chisled wedge as well as a curvy but large car with a Corvette like greenhouse.
1st gen looks
Then 2nd gen and onward, when whats his name took over the Camaro design and decided it should look more longer and lower slung, moving away from the 1st gen style
Because of this, there is some dissonance between Camaro fans.. Some want more of the 1st gen feel.. while others like more of the 3rd, 4th, and 2nd gen feel..
Thats why it won't be a suprise to me if the Camaro is reborn, it may look like something totally different... For better or for worse..
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Now Dodge.. I don't know how they are getting away with calling that 4 door sedan the Charger.. and running a commercial that directly compares a truck to the 69 Daytona...
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