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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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Not sure if this interview with the Product Chairman of General Motors was posted yet.

From Autoweek: 3/2/06

The Pontiac GTO lives! It will be replaced in late 2008 by an all-new model underpinned by General Motors’ latest rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform, with a strong likelihood of it being built on the same production line as the Chevrolet Camaro in North America.

That’s the message from General Motors vice president for global product development, Bob Lutz, at this week’s Geneva motor show.

The replacement for today’s slowish-selling GTO was canceled last year when General Motors announced it was reorganizing its North American operations and was set to focus its efforts on creating a new line of sport/utility vehicles, pickups and crossovers.

But Lutz has told AutoWeek that reports of the rear-wheel-drive coupe’s death were premature and the next-generation GTO’s development program was only really placed on hold, and—after some internal reorganization to ensure profitability targets can be met—it is now back on.

“The reason we said it was canceled is because that way our people would put their pencils down,” Lutz said. “In GM if you say something is deferred, then people keep working on it. We really needed to get that message through to everybody.” GM’s 74-year-old product guru said the program into which the GTO is incorporated was ‘getting out of control’ and running up costs that would have made it unworkable.

“It was my fault that it got out of control in the first place,” he added. “It was going to be the world’s greatest car and apparently cost nothing to make. So we’ve started over now. The program is back on and it’s going full tilt.”

Lutz confirmed that the GTO was “only ever off for two months, but that break has enabled us to get a more feasible program up.” The program he points to is General Motors’ Zeta rear-wheel-drive platform, which is being developed by Holden in Australia and set to underpin the new-generation Commodore due to be launched in August.

Besides Camaro and GTO, other models set to be based on the Zeta platform are upcoming replacements for the Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo, and a new car called the Buick Statesman, according to Lutz.

Contrary to rumors, however, Lutz said General Motors is not planning to revive the Pontiac Firebird. “No, that’s not something we are planning. We are not going to do that car,” he said.

When pushed on whether GM was thinking about bringing back the El Camino off the Zeta platform, Lutz beamed with enthusiasm. “The kids in the company, myself included, would love to do another El Camino, but the grown-ups amongst us don’t share that way of thinking,” he said. “It would be fairly simple. We’d only have to put a Chevrolet face on the Holden Ute [a car-like pickup sold in Australia]. The building blocks are there.”

Less sophisticated than the existing rear-wheel-drive Sigma platform found beneath the Cadillac STS and other high-end GM models, the Zeta architecture is said to be considerably cheaper to produce, owing to a simplified rear-suspension arrangement and other features.

Lutz suggests the individual character of GM models would not be compromised by basing them around one platform. “We have developed different dash-to-front-axle lengths for various models,” he said. “It [the Zeta platform] is a really flexible platform.”

Along with Australia and North America, Zeta-based rear-wheel-drive models are also being developed for sale in the Middle East and China. Details remain scarce, though GM’s business case for the new GTO is rumored to be based around sales of between 15,000 and 20,000 per year in North America. After a promising start, today’s model has failed to live up to initial estimates recording 13,569 sales in 2004 and just 11,590 in 2005.

Lutz confirmed that GM’s Australian subsidiary, Holden, would play a leading role in the engineering of the GTO [where it is sold as the Monaro] and its sister car, the Camaro. “Holden is responsible for the large rear-drive architecture that these cars are based on. If it happens, Holden will do the development on the Camaro as well as the GTO,” he told AutoWeek.

Despite being developed in Australia, however, there are strong indications the next GTO will be built in North America. “Whether the GTO will be built in Australia [as the current Pontiac GTO is] will largely depend on the [U.S. vs. Australian dollar] exchange rate at the time,” said Lutz. He added, “With the current strength of the Australian dollar and the recent Free Trade Agreement between Australia and the U.S., it would be more feasible to build the GTO in North America. This raises the possibility of both the new-generation GTO and Camaro being imported to Australia in right-hand-drive guise.

Production of today’s Pontiac GTO is planned to end in September, leaving GM with two years before the new Zeta-based model arrives in North American showrooms. As with the recently unveiled Chevrolet Camaro, it is expected to carry a more retro-inspired design with cues from earlier GTO models. Today’s model started life as the Holden Monaro and was never envisaged to carry the GTO badge, leading to complaints from North American buyers that it lacks any visual connection with the original.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../60302001/1039
Well......

GTO is on.

Buick gets a Zeta sedan.

Monte Carlo lives.

The program was halted for just 2 months.

Firebird is dead.

El Camino is still being debated.

The center stamping that's key to Zeta's various sizes (grey in the Camaro CAD drawing) are mentioned.

Sounds pretty straightforward and direct to me.

Also sounds alot like what I've been saying for the past couple of weeks, save the Pontiac sedan that's also in the portfolio for approval.

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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

Guy, you've gotta lay off the Gin Fizzles (or whatever the name of that drink is). j/k

These are the comments that we had our brisk discussion about last week.
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Originally Posted by guionM
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Firebird is dead.
What is really interesting is that in any of these posts from GM officials, nothing is ever mentioned about the Trans Am.
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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If Firebird is dead, Tran Am almost certainly is. GM never liked paying for the name.
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Guy, you've gotta lay off the Gin Fizzles (or whatever the name of that drink is). j/k

These are the comments that we had our brisk discussion about last week.
Gin Gimlets! Get it right, already!

Besides, I have bronchitus right now. Today I'm doing NiQuil slammers.
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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

Is that his official "Camaro is On" release? lol

Would the Camaro come a year before the new GTO?
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How long did it take to federalize the Monaro for US safety regulations?
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by graham
Is that his official "Camaro is On" release? lol

Would the Camaro come a year before the new GTO?
I think early 2008 is still our best bet.

But anyway, all sounds good to me, Bob sure is the best source
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 03:16 PM
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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

So with this news, and I'm assuming when they say "the replacements for the Impala and Monte" that they will be keeping the name and they will be RWD versions of the current cars....more or less...

But with my thinking, this would mean that Oshawa would be making Zeta cars since the Impala and MC name were restricted to Oshawa. If not, then we may still see the Chevelle name back as suggested by Guy in the Future of MC post.

Hmmmm.... could this mean that we may see the LS4 as the base Camaro and the LS2 as the Top camaro..or could it still be feasible to have a V6 Camaro with a RWD V6 Monte??

Also, could we finially see the 6 sp auto in the MC and Impala as well as possible Manual??? Oh please Auto Gods... Make it happen
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Boy, I hope I'm wrong...but I still don't expect anything for another 3 years, give or take. Maybe alittle less if we're lucky. Probably Impala first, then quickly followed by Camaro.....and then whatever else.
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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

So is the new rwd Chevy sedan going to be the Impala? For a while it was debated what name it would get. I guess if they use a 67 Impala for inspiration, then what else could you call it.
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Boy, I hope I'm wrong...but I still don't expect anything for another 3 years, give or take. Maybe alittle less if we're lucky. Probably Impala first, then quickly followed by Camaro.....and then whatever else.
You really think that the Impala, which just got a refreash, is going to beat the Camaro to market? Doesn't seem logical. I'd think GM could make more money putting out the new nameplate first (Camaro) then replace the existing nameplate (Impala). I'd also expect a G8/Grand Prix before an Impala.
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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
Boy, I hope I'm wrong...but I still don't expect anything for another 3 years, give or take. Maybe alittle less if we're lucky. Probably Impala first, then quickly followed by Camaro.....and then whatever else.

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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

"Upcoming replacement for the Monte Carlo" does not necessarily mean a new Monte Carlo, it may actually be a total replacement.
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Re: What do you want to know about Zeta? Bob Lutz answers.

Originally Posted by graham
Is that his official "Camaro is On" release? lol

Would the Camaro come a year before the new GTO?
Depends. If Camaro is made in a separate factory, it will be out before the sedans. If it's made on the same line, it will be out the same time as the sedans. Expect GTO to be made at the same time as Camaro.



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