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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 11:58 AM
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Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107679

I'm stunned. Aggressive pricing? Say what? When I looked at a Zephyr, I couldn't believe they wanted $10k more for it versus a well-equipped Milan (nicely done at $23k). Maybe something is in the water at Edmunds?

Or maybe the car really is pretty good?
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 12:12 PM
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Looks like a nice car, good to see another high quality domestic product. Personally, I think the output of the v-6 is too low, I am surprised they didn't go after the 250-300 hp range to compete with the other offerings in that price range.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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I saw a Fusion yesterday, and I think that is one of the best looking sedans to come from Ford in sometime. I can't wait to see how it will perform with the new V6. The Zephyr will go the way of the Aviator.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

The Aviator is being reintroduced in the spring, as a crossover............. and a very attractive one, I might add.

Thus, how is the Zephyr going to "go the way" of that???

The Zephyr's main competition is the Lexus ES330, and it compares very well with that car.

BTW, it looks much better in person, than in pics.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 12:48 PM
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The Zephyr will get more HP from a bigger 3.5L V6 and AWD next year.

I think they should have held off selling this car until the bigger engine came out, or at least offer them all with AWD.

For some reason I think of this car as sort of the Lincoln version of the Jag X-type.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

Originally Posted by Z28x
The Zephyr will get more HP from a bigger 3.5L V6 and AWD next year.

I think they should have held off selling this car until the bigger engine came out, or at least offer them all with AWD.
They should have waited.

With AWD and the new 250+hp 3.5L it should be a pretty nice car actually.

I am however dissapointed with Lincoln in general. Now i know Ford has Jaguar and Volvo as their other premium luxury brands, but do they have to resort to rebadging Ford's for Lincolns???

You look across the pond at even Volvo, and you just shake your head because Volvo will now soon have an all-new S80 with AWD and a 315hp 4.4 v8. Atleast rebadge Volvo's and Jags is you're going to cheap out on Lincoln and not give them their own cars. They deserve better than rebadged Ford's (which is mercury's thing anyways).
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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I had a Cimarron and it was WAY better than that.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 03:02 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

People are too stuck on HP.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 04:09 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
I am however dissapointed with Lincoln in general. Now i know Ford has Jaguar and Volvo as their other premium luxury brands, but do they have to resort to rebadging Ford's for Lincolns???
You do know that the rebadged Ford you are referring to (Fusion) is in fact a worked over, rebadged Mazda itself (Mazda6)?

At least Ford picked a good platform to start from. I'm not a big fan of the Fusion front end styling or the Zephyr back end styling. Everytime I see a Fusion coming toward me I'm afraid I'm going to get chopped up by the Gillette Mach 3 razor they put on there as a grille. Overall I think they turned out to be pretty good cars, though.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

Originally Posted by 94_Z28_ragtop
You do know that the rebadged Ford you are referring to (Fusion) is in fact a worked over, rebadged Mazda itself (Mazda6)?

At least Ford picked a good platform to start from. I'm not a big fan of the Fusion front end styling or the Zephyr back end styling. Everytime I see a Fusion coming toward me I'm afraid I'm going to get chopped up by the Gillette Mach 3 razor they put on there as a grille. Overall I think they turned out to be pretty good cars, though.
I think you are using the term "rebadge" a little to liberally, here. While the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr platform is based on the Mazda 6 platform (which was loosely based on the Mondeo platform), only 40% of it is carryover. It is longer, wider, and stiffer than the Mazda 6 platform.

As a matter of fact, the redesigned Mazda 6 will use the Fusion platform. LOL
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
People are too stuck on HP.
Is that a complaint?? Not something you'd hear on an enthusiast-based forum like this one, lol. You can never bee too stuck on hp.

Honestly though, the market is hp driven. You have to keep up with the competition. Especially this day and age when certain under 30k family sedans are packing anywhere from 245-303hp.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 07:02 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
Is that a complaint?? Not something you'd hear on an enthusiast-based forum like this one, lol. You can never bee too stuck on hp.

Honestly though, the market is hp driven. You have to keep up with the competition. Especially this day and age when certain under 30k family sedans are packing anywhere from 245-303hp.
The love of HP is an enthusiast thing and I like it as much as anyone else on this board. But when it comes to practicality, it goes way down on my priority list.

I know there was talk on another thread the gas prices will go back down to something reasonable but personally, I don't think that will last. I drive 90 miles a day and my spending on gas has really put a big dent in my dispossable income. I don't know how much more I can stand. Give me 210HP and a lot of miles-per-gallon. I'll drive my T/A on the weekends.
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 07:06 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

Originally Posted by Jason E
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107679

I'm stunned. Aggressive pricing? Say what? When I looked at a Zephyr, I couldn't believe they wanted $10k more for it versus a well-equipped Milan (nicely done at $23k). Maybe something is in the water at Edmunds?

Or maybe the car really is pretty good?
meh sign me up for a GXP

I really dont like lincoln's exterior ques these days, kinda round about IMHO.

Last thing i liked from the house of Lincoln was the LS
Old Oct 27, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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Re: Well, they don't think Zephyr = Cimarron

Originally Posted by 94LightningGal
I think you are using the term "rebadge" a little to liberally, here. While the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr platform is based on the Mazda 6 platform (which was loosely based on the Mondeo platform), only 40% of it is carryover. It is longer, wider, and stiffer than the Mazda 6 platform.

As a matter of fact, the redesigned Mazda 6 will use the Fusion platform. LOL
Please note the words that came immediately preceding my use of the term rebadge. I know it's not a simple rebadge which is why I put "worked over" in front of it. I was just trying to make the point that in this day and age a lot of different vehicles share common parts and you wouldn't always know it.
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