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guionM 04-04-2012 12:56 AM

The VF Commodore
 
The Holden VE Commodore will see an extensive redesign and will be christened the Commodore VF, and is scheduled to hit the streets the 2nd half of next year.

The redesign is aimed not only as a refresh (in August, the VE Commodore will be the longest running Commodore model in Holden history) but will also see many components switch over to aluminum and high strength steel plus the addition of electric steering. The target is a 7% improvement in fuel economy.

Outside, many of the aerodynamic tricks found on the Eco versions of the Cruze, Malibu, and even the Volt will be employed. Outside of the aero refinements, there's still a lot of the Chevrolet influence in the upcoming redesign, and for good reason. GM intends to integrate Holden's rear drive sedans into Chevrolet's lineup in the Middle East and North and South America.

No word yet on if it will be called Commodore or Lumina outside of Australia.

.... and...I know you glanced at the calender... no, it's not April Fools day.


http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/..._0001_crop.jpg


It's already started the rounds in the Australian car rags, so I think I can mention it here without having black Suburbans pulling up out front and men in black knocking on my door.

AdioSS 04-04-2012 11:24 AM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
Chances that it will make it to the States?

guionM 04-04-2012 11:36 AM

Re: The VF Commodore
 

Originally Posted by AdioSS (Post 6891636)
Chances that it will make it to the States?

Umm.......


Originally Posted by guionM
...GM intends to integrate Holden's rear drive sedans into Chevrolet's lineup in the Middle East and North and South America.


Eric77TA 04-04-2012 12:00 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
The grille from the new Traverse and Impala would fit right in there stylistically.

King Moose SS 04-04-2012 05:12 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
electric steering? how sure is that? I've heard very poor reviews about electric steering due to the "numbness" and the fear of a faulty system.

ImportedRoomate 04-04-2012 05:29 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
The ZL1 and new 3 series just to name a few, have electric steering and there have been good reviews for both.

Move the steering wheel over, throw on a bowtie and bring it over!

HuJass 04-04-2012 05:33 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
The front end looks like a Volt's.
Which is not a bad thing.

Can't wait to hear & see more about the VF.

IntimidatorSS 04-04-2012 09:44 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
I'm interested to what Chevy will call this NA version of the VF,

Caprice?
Commodore?
Chevelle?
Lumina?

or something totally new, my 2 hopes are either Chevelle or Commodore, my reasons is, If it's Chevelle I hope it has enough cues to hint at past Chevelle's or it will probally have the same reception as the australian GTO. Though Dodge was able to pull off using the Charger name, I think that for it to be a 4 door sedan that Chevy needs to inject some heritage in this RWD sedan if they use the Chevelle name. It don't have to be overly retro but similar like cues that the new Impala has but modernized, throw in some retroish side pannels and taillights and call it a Chevelle and I think it would work.

Though if it's gonna be a newly styled sedan than I think calling it something new or calling it a Commodore would work. I think a Chevy Commodore sounds new and refreshing for the US market whereas a Lumina or Caprice to me would lower the impact of a RWD sedan being relaunched into the Chevy lineup. The stigma of the names like Lumina and Caprice would give mixed reactions and wouldn't bring excitement like a new name or a name that hasn't been used in a long time.

jg95z28 04-05-2012 01:18 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
Remember, this will probably be "the Chevy" that becomes the face of GM in NASCAR. Lumina has a recent history in NASCAR. Since I doubt it will have historical "Chevelle" styling cues, other than being a 4-door RWD sedan, that name is probably out. Simply calling it the Chevy Commodore as a rebadged Holden Commodore (which is what it is) sounds simple on the surface, however I'm not sure it will bring the "buzz" GM is after. I'm all for a new name, but based on other recent new Chevy names, I'm not over confident they'd select anything better than one they already have.

Here are my top choices, in order of which I think is most likely...

1. Caprice
2. Lumina
3. Commodore
4. Monte Carlo
5. something completely new

Yeah, I know folks will argue that the Monte Carlo was a 2-door, but then so was the Dodge Charger. :p

Hoodshaker 04-05-2012 02:23 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 

Originally Posted by ImportedRoomate (Post 6891718)
The ZL1 and new 3 series just to name a few, have electric steering and there have been good reviews for both.

I think the 2011 and up Mustang merits mention by name since its gotten great reviews for its (electric) steering feedback. Its also part of how they achieved the fuel economy numbers they did.

In my opinion, GM learned a lesson from this and sought to reap the benefits by tuning a performance electric power steering system for the aforementioned 2012 ZL1 and subsequently all 2013 Camaros.

HuJass 04-05-2012 05:37 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 

Originally Posted by jg95z28 (Post 6891980)
Remember, this will probably be "the Chevy" that becomes the face of GM in NASCAR. Lumina has a recent history in NASCAR. Since I doubt it will have historical "Chevelle" styling cues, other than being a 4-door RWD sedan, that name is probably out. Simply calling it the Chevy Commodore as a rebadged Holden Commodore (which is what it is) sounds simple on the surface, however I'm not sure it will bring the "buzz" GM is after. I'm all for a new name, but based on other recent new Chevy names, I'm not over confident they'd select anything better than one they already have.

Here are my top choices, in order of which I think is most likely...

1. Caprice
2. Lumina
3. Commodore
4. Monte Carlo
5. something completely new

Yeah, I know folks will argue that the Monte Carlo was a 2-door, but then so was the Dodge Charger. :p

The new car won't carry the name of Lumina or Monte Carlo, because they were both used in NASCAR.
And they used Chevelle's back in the '74-'79 timeframe (not sure if the ones used in NASCAR at that time were referred to as Malibus or Chevelles).

jg95z28 04-05-2012 06:41 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 

Originally Posted by HuJass (Post 6892022)
The new car won't carry the name of Lumina or Monte Carlo, because they were both used in NASCAR.
And they used Chevelle's back in the '74-'79 timeframe (not sure if the ones used in NASCAR at that time were referred to as Malibus or Chevelles).

GM never said the new car won't carry the name of a former NASCAR entry, only that it would be new to the "current" Chevy line-up and not Impala or Malibu. Sure there are others as well, including Biscayne and Belair, but I doubt either of those is coming back.

From '74-79 the Chevys were mainly Monte Carlos. Chevelles were used more in the late '60s, the Monte Carlos pretty much took over by 1971. That's not to say the Chevelles may not of been used in smaller venues, heck even a Camaro or two crept into Grand National road races.

ImportedRoomate 04-09-2012 08:50 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
Just a couple of articles from down under confirming the obvious:

Commodore to head Nascar charge

Large cars making a comeback | Holden Commodore exports

90 Z28SS 04-09-2012 11:47 PM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
I wish they would just call it a Commodore. Given what it is, a large 4 door sedan, it sounds better than Caprice and the name Nazi's will cry if its a Chevelle. SS would be stupid. Chevy Commodore:)

guionM 04-10-2012 02:32 AM

Re: The VF Commodore
 
Holden and Chevrolet will see their line pretty much combined globally. The Cruze is already also made in Holden's plant in Australia, and it's also sold as Holden Cruze in Australia and New Zealand.

When GM-NA stopped selling the B-body cars in the Middle East, Holden stepped in for Chevrolet with their V-cars, Lumna and Caprice.

We already have the Caprice name here........


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