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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 09:13 AM
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Very positive review on the new GMC Acadia

From James Healey of USA Today. He may not be considered one of the 'elite' automotive journalists since he focuses more on what regular people look for in cars, but I've always found him to be fair and honest.

Interesting things from the article
- Acadia gets better higway mileage (18/26) than a Honda Pilot (18/24), depsite the Pilot being a smaller and lighter truck. Mileage has never been the HFV6's strong suit, even with the 6 speed as in the Aura. In fact the 1000-pound-lighter Aura is not a whole lot better (20/28) than Acadia.

- Acadia is about he same size as a Yukon. I've never paid much attention to them, but I always pictured them more the size of a Envoy. Good job on styling it to make it seem tidy while also being very attractive. But if the plan was for the Lambdas to take over from the GMT360s, hopefully they don't cannibalize the GMT900s instead, and leave a gap in GM's mid-sized lineup.

- Healey gives GM credit for making their vehicles low maintenance, e.g. timing chains. I think this is an important advantage GM has in most of their vehicles, especially over the Japanese, that they rarely get credit for.

GMC Acadia cruises to top of market for crossovers

PALO ALTO, Calif. — It's a rare moment in the auto business when a vehicle seems just right, so much so that it transcends annoyances and omissions to sit atop its class. Salients this year: 2007 Jaguar XK (Test Drive, Aug. 11) and '07 Honda CR-V small crossover SUV (Test Drive, Oct. 6).

Now another: 2007 GMC Acadia, a large crossover SUV. It's a new vehicle to GMC's lineup and is the first crossover ever sold by General Motors' (GM) GMC truck brand. That means it's not built on a truck-style frame but rather as a unibody somewhat like a car.

Saturn, another GM brand, is selling a mechanically similar model called Outlook. Buick, also a GM brand, will sell a fancier version, called Enclave, next year. Thus, you have your choice of several flavors at several price levels.

GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz says the crossovers are emblematic. "This is about as good as we know how to do right now. This is as good as it gets," he said introducing the Acadia here. "This is a 'no-excuse' vehicle."

Action in the crossover market has been concentrated among small and midsize models. Until Mazda launches the CX-9 early next year, and unless Honda enlarges the Pilot from mid- to full-size, Acadia's competition mainly is with Outlook and with full-size, truck-based SUVs from GM and its rivals.

If you absolutely, positively need towing prowess or off-road capabilities, you're still likely to favor GM's Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon, full-size, truck-based SUVs. But if you use a big SUV as nearly everybody does — as a minivan substitute that's good in foul weather, carries lots of people, tackles shopping, commuting and other errands without a whimper — Acadia and its ilk are for you.

A day driving Acadias around here was delightfully rewarding. Here's why:

•Handling. Present in large quantities. Pete Nico, vehicle line director for the Acadia and its corporate cousins, says he likes a responsive vehicle that whips through turns and doesn't feel tipsy, so — by gosh — that's what he told the team to develop.
What a joy to pilot through the winding mountain roads. How easy to forget you were at the wheel of a full-size anything, let alone a full-size SUV. In addition to the taut suspension — too stiff, some might say — the extraordinarily well-balanced steering gets much of the credit.

•Power. Acadia's 3.6-liter overhead-camshaft V-6, the only engine available, has 251 pounds-feet of low-speed torque. It's unimpressive, but well-leveraged by the jump-and-run first-gear ratio in the six-speed automatic transmission. There's plenty of punch at low engine speed. The 275 horsepower is enough to get you up the ramp and onto the big road without anxiety and with a grin.

•Room. An almost immeasurable 1% less passenger room than you get inside Tahoe and Yukon, and 10% to 17% more cargo room, even though Acadia's a bit smaller outside.

In addition, Acadia's third-row seat folds onto the floor. You needn't remove it for maximum area as you must in the GM truck-based SUVs.

Folding the second row is easy, because the head restraints flop down for clearance behind the first row. No need to pull them out and find some place to store them so their metal mounting rods don't become skull-piercing missiles in a crash.

Room is no good, of course, unless you can reach it and use it. You can, easily, in Acadia, making it significantly handier than truck-based models, which in spite of their size require you to twist and clamber.

The second row slides fore and aft to tailor the mix of people and cargo space, something the truck-based SUVs don't offer. The second row slides and tips forward to open an adult-size alley into the adult-size third-row seat. The third row, in fact, is more comfortable than the second row for all but the long-legged because the third row sits higher off the floor.

A bin provides secure storage under the cargo floor and a partition stands up to help keep groceries where you intend. No bag hooks, though. Couldn't find a secure and handy place, GMC says. At least the hooks were considered, something not all car companies do in spite of the obvious usefulness of the feature.

Acadia's second-row knee and legroom feel much greater than what's in the truck models, even though Acadia's specifications show about 2 inches less than in Tahoe/Yukon. The lesson: You can't completely shop by numbers. You have to get in and squirm around.

•Fuel economy. Not good in crossovers generally, because they weigh a lot, but on that relative scale, Acadia is strong. High teens city, mid-20s highway, a 2-mpg highway advantage over smaller Honda Pilot.

Everybody's numbers probably will drop when new fuel economy tests go into effect for 2008 models.

•Maintenance. Not much. The engine uses timing chains instead of belts. "We didn't think it was right to tell the customer that at 60,000 or 80,000 miles, you have a several-hundred-dollar maintenance job replacing belts," Nico says. Many Japanese models use belts, which are quieter but eventually need replacing.

Spark plugs are good for 105,000 miles. Transmission fluid and engine coolant shouldn't need attention for 100,000 miles. Check around. You'll be surprised how many vehicles still recommend spark-plug changes and fluid replacement sooner.

Gaffes that Acadia has to overcome to seem as top-notch as it does:

•Transmission. It's that cussed six-speed automatic jointly developed with Ford Motor and also used in GM's Saturn Aura sedan and Ford Motor's Edge and Lincoln MKX crossover utilities.

In each case, it's marred by a big stumble before downshifting when you hammer the go pedal for passing or merging or fun. At least GMC folks admit it's not right and that development work continues.

•Seat comfort. Leather upholstery felt hard, not just stiff or firm. Cloth was easier on the backside. The second row sits too close to the floor for adult comfort.

On the other hand, the dreaded lumbar support retracts fully so you don't get a permanent back-whacking from the seat. Uncounted GM managers over the years have said they dislike the too-prominent lumbar bulges, yet they continue in GM vehicles.

• Noise. A little around the windshield pillars in the pre-production testers. Shouldn't be there in production models, GMC says. Trust, but verify.

Acadia is a new design, using a new transmission, rear suspension and other key hardware, built in a new factory that began production earlier this year (but it's a veteran workforce, GM emphasizes). The pre-production test vehicles suggested no problems. Fits were tight and right. Some first-tier Japanese brands aren't as nicely assembled.

If all those "news" don't bother you, then Acadia, even with its annoyances, is a splendid vehicle that fills an empty spot in the market, at least briefly, and deserves a spot high on many shopping lists.
Old Dec 26, 2006 | 07:43 AM
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As of right now... (I am 18 or so months out from replacing a vehicle) Acadia or Enclave are probably at the top of my list right now...

It could replace either the Envoy OR even the Grand Prix, really... we'll see how things pan out, but these vehicles look to be pretty nice so far. Can't wait to get in one and check it out in person.
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On a side note, one thing I can't stand about the Acadia is the cheese-ball rear taillamp insert thingees.

Looks like 75 cent tacked-on aftermarket lenses.

Old Dec 26, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
On a side note, one thing I can't stand about the Acadia is the cheese-ball rear taillamp insert thingees.

Looks like 75 cent tacked-on aftermarket lenses.

really?.. i'm digging those taillights.. one of my favorite things about the Acadia's styling
Old Dec 26, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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really?.. i'm digging those taillights.. one of my favorite things about the Acadia's styling


Ya, I really think those little insert thingees are cheesy looking.

Maybe it's just me though... maybe they look better in person too....???
Old Dec 26, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Looks a little busy, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 01:41 AM
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I like the Acadia the best of the 3(outlook/enclave).

Other than the weird 3 vent center stack, I like it's interior the most.
Old Dec 28, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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While I'm extremely impressed by this Acadia, I prefer the Enclave. I think they need to make xenon headlamps an option or standard on the top model too - that would add a nice classy touch to make them seem more upscale and more competitive with something like the RX despite them being larger and cheaper.

The article describes the Acadia's leather as very stiff... I hope at least one of the three will be given some decent leather - I have yet to see GM put leather that I'd want to sit in day in and day out in any one their vehicles aside from some of their Caddy models...

You can tell me it's for 'toughness' or something but good grief, have you guys cared to check out what your average GMT-800 Tahoe's driver seat looks like after 50k miles or so of typical use? HORRIBLE. And that leather was definitely 'tough', at least in feel.
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So far the Saturn Outlook is my choice. Although it is the only one out of the 3 I've seen in person. I was very impressed with the outlook I saw and it was a base AWD model. Much nicer than the Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander. I see absolutely no reason why anyone would buy a TrailBlazer LTZ over a Saturn outlook other than the tow rating.
Old Dec 28, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
So far the Saturn Outlook is my choice. Although it is the only one out of the 3 I've seen in person. I was very impressed with the outlook I saw and it was a base AWD model. Much nicer than the Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander. I see absolutely no reason why anyone would buy a TrailBlazer LTZ over a Saturn outlook other than the tow rating.
I agree that if I were ONLY given the choice between the outlook, pilot, highlander, and trailblazer... the outlook would most likely be my first choice.

However, with that said, there's a few of things to consider here:

Size: The Outlook weighs a full 1000 pounds more than the highlander, and 500 pounds more than the Pilot. It's 16 inches longer and more than 6 inches wider than the highlander, and 12 inches longer and a bit wider than the pilot. In fact the Chevy tahoe is only an inch longer and wider than the outlook and only weighs a few hundred pounds more depending on equipment.

Price: A fully loaded Outlook will run you 44 grand, plus tax and destination (that's not including dealer installed options, port installed accessories, or any of that, either) The Pilot, fully loaded, will run you 8 grand less, and so will the Highlander when fully loaded (excluding the hybrid model)

Newness: The Outlook is a brand new model/design. The current generation highlander, while having received powertrain updates recently, is currently in its 7th model year without a significant update. The pilot is in its 5th model year but in reality is based on a platform that largely dates back to the 1998 model year Accord and subsequent Odyssey minivan (the previous generation one). It needs updating BADLY. In fact the Pilot should see an update for the 2008 model year, with, as you might expect, quite a bit of its upgrades and design queues being shared with the all new Acura MDX. The Highlander is a little less clear - we'll either see a redesign for it for the 2008 or 2009 model year. Still, suffice it to say they're somewhat aged platforms at the moment.

So again, if I was given the choice between the four vehicles you mentioned, as they stand now, the Outlook would almost definitely be my choice. But I still don't feel that's accurate enough of a statement to be self-standing because the vehicles aren't entirely comparable, anyway.
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I absolutely fell in love with the buick Enclave concept photos - but I think this vehicle will be well outside of my price range.

I have the prerequisites, 2 kids with a third almost here. Tons of highway driving were a car just doesn't have enough room to be the main vehicle. The Enclave simply has to be north of 40k Canadian easy.
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Originally Posted by lbrowne
The Enclave simply has to be north of 40k Canadian easy.
I will be shocked if it's not north of 40k USD with hardly even an option box checked. That is unless they offer them in relatively spartan equipment form, but that isn't really what I think Buick is intending to go for at the moment - they're trying to move upscale.
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Originally Posted by lbrowne
The Enclave simply has to be north of 40k Canadian easy.
the outlook starts at 33k(xe) but the xr starts 38k so i can see the enclave around 40k base.
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Originally Posted by Threxx
I will be shocked if it's not north of 40k USD with hardly even an option box checked. That is unless they offer them in relatively spartan equipment form, but that isn't really what I think Buick is intending to go for at the moment - they're trying to move upscale.
I thought initial reports on pricing said the Enclave was going to start a couple grand cheaper than a Lexus RX330. So this would have the Enclave starting around $34k and change.



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