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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 04:23 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by SharpShooter_SS
I'm not sure that importing a used version of a car that for all intents and purposes is illegal to sell as new in Canada is an option given that the car doesn't meet Federal impact standards. But, I'm not an expert so I can't say for sure....
I don't know about the actual procedures involved in importing a used car from the USA to Canada, but I do know that it was very easy to bring Canadian vehicles into the United States - until the American dollar started its most recent decline.

And I wouldn't get too bothered about the GTO having 2.5 mph bumpers instead of 5.0mph bumpers or whatever. Canadian safety regs aren't all that tough because I can still remember when Ladas (yup, the Russian cars) were imported into Canada. If I'm not mistaken, there were more than a few Lada fans in the Maritimes.

Originally Posted by SharpShooter_SS
You may be right about the demand for a GTO in Canada, I'm sure GM would be hard pressed to sell at the levels reached in the US. Guess we'll never know since GM opted not to deal with the Canadian impact regs - tied no doubt to projected overall levels of sales and the 18,000 unit ceiling that Australia could produce. I am however fairly sure that there are potential buyers for a GTO above the 49th who are at the very least quite disappointed that they can't even opt yea or nay with regards to a purchase since we are not granted the option to do so. All we can do is watch from the sidelines.
If you're hot and bothered by the lack of new GTOs in Canada, you can always start your very own "graymarket" GTO/Monaro importing business? I mean seriously, how hard can it be to get a safety waiver from the relevant Canadian authorities?

I remember when TVRs were sold in Toronto. Of course, the TVRs didn't have the GTO's 2.5 MPH bumpers....

....the didn't have any bumpers at all.






Originally Posted by SharpShooter_SS
Don't count on monetary parity, we prefer a strong greenback in relation to
cdn money - export bias you see.
You're underestimating the fiscal discipline of your so-called Liberal party and the freespending ways of American "neo-cons."


Originally Posted by SharpShooter_SS
To be honest, I would be more concerned with the penny pinching GMNA does with regards to interior executions. According to reviews I've read, the cars are well assembled and of relatively high quality with regards to the interior execution. I can't comment on any first hand knowledge.... see above comment.
Nah, the GTO's interior is a mid-90s ergonomic mess with just as much hard 'n cheap plastic as the F-body. The big difference is the instead of giving the hard 'n cheap plastic a tastefully dulled matte finish, they made it shiny.

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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

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what?? when did this happen?? I fear for Holden now. How could someone from the bloated pig that is GMNA move to Holden and NOT **** it up? Why was this move even NESSESARY!? and finally, why do I care about Holden so much?

maybe because it's GM's only bright spot at this point. lesson for the next Holden, next time don't get TOO good at what you do so as to stay off of the corporate radar, you'll live longer.
When Hanneberg retired and went back to Germany, its some guy from Cadilllac and suprise now Holden want the Cadillac brand here.

I agree I hope this guy doesn't F*** it up
Old Mar 9, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by redzed
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You're underestimating the fiscal discipline of your so-called Liberal party and the freespending ways of American "neo-cons."
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redzed you know that political crap isn't allowed. Lets not get a thread locked because it got off topic.
Old Mar 9, 2005 | 11:46 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by redzed
Nah, the GTO's interior is a mid-90s ergonomic mess with just as much hard 'n cheap plastic as the F-body. The big difference is the instead of giving the hard 'n cheap plastic a tastefully dulled matte finish, they made it shiny.
You don't want me to make another one of your stupid, off-base, lies about the GTO part of my sig again do you?
Old Mar 10, 2005 | 07:16 AM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Don't feed the troll.........
Old Mar 10, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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Nah, the GTO's interior is a mid-90s ergonomic mess with just as much hard 'n cheap plastic as the F-body. The big difference is the instead of giving the hard 'n cheap plastic a tastefully dulled matte finish, they made it shiny.
It's become painfully obvious that you have never sat in a new GTO or even seen one up close. And don't tell me you did, because I will call you a liar.

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Old Mar 10, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by NikiVee
It's become painfully obvious that you have never sat in a new GTO or even seen one up close. And don't tell me you did, because I will call you a liar.
No, redzed has test driven every car ever made.
Old Mar 11, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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No, redzed has test driven every car ever made.
And some that haven't!
Old Mar 11, 2005 | 12:27 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by Josh452
Strategy of a bold, aggressive design for the Goat with the goal of keeping it cheap to produce and affordable to the consumer.
Goal of having a couple of coupes to plug a couple of glaring product holes.

Originally Posted by SharpShooter_SS
So does this mean that the GTO will not be going on hiatus after all?
It will be on a hiatus according to word on the street.... but not a long term, multi year hiatus like another GM name.

Originally Posted by redzed
Considering the price of gasoline in Canada, and the GTO's gas guzzling thirst, I doubt there would have been very much demand north of the border. Still, if any Canadian was desperate to have a "Goat," they could just import a used example. Trust me, there will be plenty of cheap pre-owned GTO in a year or two. By the that time, the Canadian dollar might be trading on par with the almighty U.S. dollar.
GTO has better fuel economy than a Z28 (29 mph highway). Not gonna tell you to look up things anymore because you seem to be comfortable with having a rep as a knownothing Aussie basher.


I hate to break it to you, but Australian "build quality" isn't a selling point. It would be fair to assume that a North American produced GTO would be a better built, more reliable vehicle than anything produced "Down Under."
Just a general question to everyone here:
Is there even one person on the entire site (let alone this community) who gives any credence to anything Redzed says about the GTO or Australia?

I'm just really curious, because discrediting things he says is begining to feel alot like clubbing baby seals, strangling puppies, or shooting fish in a barrel. He just makes it so ridiculously easy, I almost feel guilty..... almost.

Originally Posted by redzed
IAnd I wouldn't get too bothered about the GTO having 2.5 mph bumpers instead of 5.0mph bumpers or whatever. Canadian safety regs aren't all that tough because I can still remember when Ladas (yup, the Russian cars) were imported into Canada. If I'm not mistaken, there were more than a few Lada fans in the Maritimes.
Canada has 5 mph bumper standards on new cars.

If you're hot and bothered by the lack of new GTOs in Canada, you can always start your very own "graymarket" GTO/Monaro importing business? I mean seriously, how hard can it be to get a safety waiver from the relevant Canadian authorities?
Safety waiver? From Canada? One of you guys from up north wanna step in here?

Nah, the GTO's interior is a mid-90s ergonomic mess with just as much hard 'n cheap plastic as the F-body. The big difference is the instead of giving the hard 'n cheap plastic a tastefully dulled matte finish, they made it shiny.
Instead of taking the word of someone who seems to have played more football without a helmet in highschool more than was healthy for him, sit in a 4th gen Camaro and then sit in a GTO yourself and YOU tell us what YOU think, or talk to people who have or the many GTO owners on this site who have owned both cars.

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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 10:21 AM
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As the owner of both a4th gen f-body and a GTO, I can tell you that redzed knows little,if anything about either car. I love my Firehawk, but the GTO has a better interior than most new cars on the market let alone a 4th gen . The build quality of the GTO is not only good, it is on a par with the best of the European cars on the market costing 10-20k more.

Along those lines the GTO should never have been compared to the Mustang,that's the Camaro's job. The GTO should be compared to the BMW 3 series (including the M3) . That's the comparison I made when I decided on the GTO. I found the GTO to be on a par with the 3 (or better in some respects) for 20k less. The GTO is brilliant on its own, especially when you consider how quickly GM adapted it to meet US standards. Anyone who says different doesn't know the car. Is the Mustang a better Ponycar? Of course, because the GTO isn't a Ponycar to begin with! It's an upscale sports-coupe (Musclecar) that is worth every penny of it's sticker. The answer is not too dumb-down the GTO to compete with Mustang, it is to promote it as the BMW-killer it truly is and to build a true GM Ponycar to tackle Mustang on its own turf: CAMARO
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 01:20 PM
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Just how many threads did you put this post on?

Originally Posted by CaminoLS6
As the owner of both a4th gen f-body and a GTO, I can tell you that redzed knows little,if anything about either car. I love my Firehawk, but the GTO has a better interior than most new cars on the market let alone a 4th gen . The build quality of the GTO is not only good, it is on a par with the best of the European cars on the market costing 10-20k more.

I'd have to say that the interior of the GTO can't compare in material quality to a similarly priced Chrysler 300C. Part of the problem is the cheesy detailing (tacky body colored seat stitching and body color instruments that border on illegible in any color other than black). However, the fundimental problem is that the GTO has bad early '90s ergonomics.

The jury is still out when it comes to the issue of the reliablity and quality of the GTO. All I can say is good luck. Judging by every other Aussie car that been imported to the USA, you'll need it.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by redzed
Just how many threads did you put this post on?




I'd have to say that the interior of the GTO can't compare in material quality to a similarly priced Chrysler 300C. Part of the problem is the cheesy detailing (tacky body colored seat stitching and body color instruments that border on illegible in any color other than black). However, the fundimental problem is that the GTO has bad early '90s ergonomics.

The jury is still out when it comes to the issue of the reliablity and quality of the GTO. All I can say is good luck. Judging by every other Aussie car that been imported to the USA, you'll need it.
I posted it in exactly 2 threads (it is so noted in the other one). It would seem that your ability to count and your reading comprehension are almost as good as your skill in evaluating cars and your knowledge of Australian products.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by redzed
Just how many threads did you put this post on?




I'd have to say that the interior of the GTO can't compare in material quality to a similarly priced Chrysler 300C. Part of the problem is the cheesy detailing (tacky body colored seat stitching and body color instruments that border on illegible in any color other than black). However, the fundimental problem is that the GTO has bad early '90s ergonomics.

The jury is still out when it comes to the issue of the reliablity and quality of the GTO. All I can say is good luck. Judging by every other Aussie car that been imported to the USA, you'll need it.

Again your are totally clueless. LOL!!!! I'm gonna ignore you from now on. CYA!!
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 05:27 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by redzed
I'd have to say that the interior of the GTO can't compare in material quality to a similarly priced Chrysler 300C.
WGAF?
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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Re: Very interesting post on future Holdens....

Originally Posted by guionM
Just a general question to everyone here:
Is there even one person on the entire site (let alone this community) who gives any credence to anything Redzed says about the GTO or Australia?

I'm just really curious, because discrediting things he says is begining to feel alot like clubbing baby seals, strangling puppies, or shooting fish in a barrel. He just makes it so ridiculously easy, I almost feel guilty..... almost.

Instead of taking the word of someone who seems to have played more football without a helmet in highschool more than was healthy for him, sit in a 4th gen Camaro and then sit in a GTO yourself and YOU tell us what YOU think, or talk to people who have or the many GTO owners on this site who have owned both cars.
To answer your question, it would be hard to believe anyone would.

Coming from a 4th gen owner, it's not too difficult to admit that the GTO is light years ahead of the f-bodies as far a build quality goes. In fact, I would say it's without a doubt the nicest quality interior of any American (brand) car that I've personally sat in. This includes the 300C. The one (300) that I have test driven came with a nice little dash rattle standard. Not quite what one would expect in a $37,000 (sticker of the one I took out) car. It may have just been an isolated occurance, never the less the rest of the car is a nice step up for Chrysler. The GTO is a great car. I fell in love after a test drive. Maybe redzed just needs to ACTUALLY take one for a ride to truly appreciate the car


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