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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply

George Soros historically has made a killing on betting on instability and/or sharp declines or increases on different countries currency and has even funded particular political opposition groups in different countries to help him achieve his goal. While Im no fan of Soros I do believe there's far more risk in the next 6-12 months then what's being forcasted by many.

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Ready for $262/barrel oil?

Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply in the coming months.

By Nelson Schwartz, FORTUNE senior writer
January 27, 2006: 4:40 PM EST


DAVOS, Switzerland (FORTUNE) - Be afraid. Be very afraid.

That's the message from two of the world's most successful investors on the topic of high oil prices. One of them, Hermitage Capital's Bill Browder, has outlined six scenarios that could take oil up to a downright terrifying $262 a barrel.

The other, billionaire investor George Soros, wouldn't make any specific predictions about prices. But as a legendary commodities player, it's worth paying heed to the words of the man who once took on the Bank of England -- and won. "I'm very worried about the supply-demand balance, which is very tight," Soros says.

"U.S. power and influence has declined precipitously because of Iraq and the war on terror and that creates an incentive for anyone who wants to make trouble to go ahead and make it." As an example, Soros pointed to the regime in Iran, which is heading towards a confrontation with the West over its nuclear power program and doesn't show any signs of compromising. "Iran is on a collision course and I have a difficulty seeing how such a collision can be avoided," he says.

Another emboldened troublemaker is Russian president Vladimir Putin, Soros said, citing Putin's recent decision to briefly shut the supply of natural gas to Ukraine. The only bit of optimism Soros could offer was that the next 12 months would be most dangerous in terms of any price shocks, because beginning in 2007 he predicts new oil supplies will come online.

Hermitage's Bill Browder doesn't yet have the stature of George Soros. But his $4 billion Moscow-based Hermitage fund rose 81.5 percent last year and is up a whopping 1780 percent since its inception a decade ago. A veteran of Salomon Bros. and Boston Consulting Group, the 41-year old Browder has been especially successful because of his contrarian take; for example, he continued to invest in Russia when others fled following the Kremlin's assault on Yukos.

Doomsdays 1 through 6
To come up with some likely scenarios in the event of an international crisis, his team performed what's known as a regression analysis, extrapolating the numbers from past oil shocks and then using them to calculate what might happen when the supply from an oil-producing country was cut off in six different situations. The fall of the House of Saud seems the most far-fetched of the six possibilities, and it's the one that generates that $262 a barrel.

More realistic -- and therefore more chilling -- would be the scenario where Iran declares an oil embargo a la OPEC in 1973, which Browder thinks could cause oil to double to $131 a barrel. Other outcomes include an embargo by Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez ($111 a barrel), civil war in Nigeria ($98 a barrel), unrest and violence in Algeria ($79 a barrel) and major attacks on infrastructure by the insurgency in Iraq ($88 a barrel).

Regressions analysis may be mathematical but it's an art, not a science. And some of these scenarios are quite dubious, like Venezuela shutting the spigot. (For more on Chavez and Venezuela, click here.)

Energy chiefs at the World Economic Forum in Davos downplayed the likelihood of a serious oil shortage. In a statement Friday, Shell's CEO Jeroen Van der Veer declared, "There is no reason for pessimism." OPEC Acting Secretary General Mohammed Barkindo said "OPEC will step in at any time there is a shortage in the market." But then no one in the industry, including Van der Veer, foresaw an extended run of $65 oil -- or even $55 oil -- like we've been having.

It's clear that there is very, very little wiggle room, and that most consumers, including those in the United States, have acceded so far to the new reality of $60 or even $70 oil. And as Soros points out, the White House has its hands full in Iraq and elsewhere.

Although there are long-term answers like ethanol, what's needed is a crash conservation effort in the United States. This doesn't have to be command-and-control style. Moral suasion counts for a lot, and if the president suggested staying home with family every other Sunday or otherwise cutting back on unnecessary drives, he could please the family values crowd while also changing the psychology of the oil market by showing that the U.S. government is serious about easing any potential bottlenecks.

Similarly, he could finally get the government to tighten fuel-efficiency standards and encourage both Detroit and drivers to end decades of steadily increasing gas consumption. These kinds of steps would create a little headroom until new supplies do become available or threats like Iran's current leadership or the Iraqi insurgency fade.

It's been done it before. For all the cracks about Jimmy Carter in a cardigan and his malaise speech, America did reduce its use of oil following the price shocks of the 1970s, and laid the groundwork for low energy prices in the 1980s and 1990s. But it would require spending political capital, and offending traditional White House allies, and that's something this president doesn't seem to want to do.
As side note 57% of Americans support military action against Iran - http://news.ft.com/cms/s/821b8e1c-8f...0779e2340.html

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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Re: Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply

On a similar note, I just saw an article regarding sand oil in Canada. There seems to be vast amounts of oil in parts of Canada, actually in the sand itself, and now that oil is $65+/bbl, it is now more feasible to get it. Article stated it is second largest known reserve behind Saudi Arabia, but could actually be many times more based on the type of soil under untouched Canadian forests. time to make peace with Canada and hope China doesn't buy everything.
Old Jan 27, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SRFCTY
On a similar note, I just saw an article regarding sand oil in Canada. There seems to be vast amounts of oil in parts of Canada, actually in the sand itself, and now that oil is $65+/bbl, it is now more feasible to get it. Article stated it is second largest known reserve behind Saudi Arabia, but could actually be many times more based on the type of soil under untouched Canadian forests. time to make peace with Canada and hope China doesn't buy everything.
If we could get all the oil out that would drawf Saudi Arabia. Plus there is oil of the BC coast but thats under some stupid moretorium.

Hey an American knows about Albertas oil! We have conventional crude and the tar sands. Billions have been invested and tthere is more to come. We should build a refinery though. That would really help on the supply side.

Heres some info:

It is estimated that the Athabasca Oil Sands deposit contains 1.6 trillion barrels (250 km3) of crude; however, at current market prices, and given the technology of today only 311 billion barrels (49.4 km3) of crude oil can be feasibly extracted. According to the Alberta Department of Energy, 882,500 barrels (140,300 m3) per day was extracted from the Alberta Oilsands in 2003. Proven reserves stand at 174 billion barrels (27.7 km3)[1]; however, it is a widely held opinion in the industry that there is far more crude than the proven reserves would suggest. By 2010 production from the Alberta Oilsands is expected to represent 10% of North America's oil production.

Although not proven, and not even considered within the oil industry, according to the Alberta Energy and Utilities Board, the Athabasca tar sands is the largest oil deposit in the world.


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Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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Actually, back in 73, I think OPEC folded after just a couple weeks because the oil was bought elsewhere and totally killed their economy. Oil is about the only thing going for Iran right now, and if they choose to inflate oil prices, it not only kills their economy, the UN would sanction them right away probably, and the whole world economy would be thrown out of balance anyways. Probably not a smart move by them.
Old Jan 27, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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The problem with most countries in the mideast is that they are suffer from what I call 'economic tyranny'. Meaning that when a country only has one major source of income (in this case oil), and there are no other significant revenue streams from other sources, the money ends up (and consequently political power as well) in the hands of a few elite. The benefits of a broadbased economy like the US is that it we have many different industries that are not dependent on each other. These different industries help finance and support different political/constituency groups that help prevent political and economic power from falling in the hands of a select few. While our system is obviously not perfect (especially in one political party becomes extremely anti-industry), it's far better then the alternatives that have been revealed throughout history.

If anyone thinks Iran's president (Ahmadinejad) is a rational person you should realize that he thinks he is going to help usher in the the Last Judgement and the End of the World.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=21113


"In a November 16 speech in Tehran to senior clerics who had come from all over Iran to hear him, the new president said that the main mission of his government was to "pave the path for the glorious reappearance of Imam Mehdi (may God hasten his reappearance)." The mystical 12th imam of Shiite Islam disappeared as a child in 941, and Twelver Shiites have awaited his reappearance ever since, believing that when he returns he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about the Last Judgment and the end of the world."

"As devotees of the 12th imam, the Hojatieh believe only great tribulation will warrant his coming. Akin in some ways to Lenin's doctrine that worsening social conditions would hasten revolution, the Hojatieh believe that only increased violence, conflict and oppression will bring the Mehdi's return."

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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 07:01 AM
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The oil companies are taking consumers for a ride... don't succumb to their scare campaigns... its called profiteering!

Since we're quoting from articles...

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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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Yeah.. Sure. They've been saying that since 1973.

Though I believe we need to look at alternative fuels also. Don't under estimate Oil sand field.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS...a.oilsands.ap/

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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 08:53 AM
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Re: Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply

This happens about every year or so.
Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:04 AM
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Re: Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply

If oil can sustain $70-$80 per barrel, shale oil becomes profitable.
Old Jan 28, 2006 | 10:19 AM
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Re: Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply

Oil from coal becomes profitable at some point. KY, WV, Virginia, and PA have lots of coal. I read somewhere a long time ago that coal could supply the US for 50 years.
Old Jan 28, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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Our current problems originated in the 1990's when OPEC's and other oil infrastructures were not expanded and/or significantly improved since crude oil was so cheap and they were afraid those impovements or effenciency increases would drive crude oil prices down further. In 2004/2005 China's and India's economies exploded (caught the global economy off-guard) and now the global oil infrastructure is near maximum capacity and any production increases is misleading because the short-term increases would be not be high quality 'light sweet crude' but the poor 'sour crude' that most don't want because its more expensive to refine.

I really believe that alternative sources could eventually offset mideast supply but unfortunately it would take 5-10 years for that infrastructure to be built and fully realized. New alternative sources won't even begun to be built until crude oil prices stay high for a extended period of time to ensure the new sources will be profitable for years to come. It will take a major economic shock of $100+ a barrel crude to overcome all the bureaucratic (politicians are inherently cowards) and environmental (some environmentalist are inherently insane) hurdles to get the new infrastucture built.

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